Posted on 08/21/2004 11:16:36 AM PDT by jerrydavenport
the west, blinded by it's islamic cadres has lost many opportunities in the past.
1- In 1998, Iran almost got sucked into a war with the taliban over the killing of iranian diplomats.The west again didn't capitalize on that. This war would have sucked iran into a guerilla war that would have eventually burried the iranian hardliners and destroyed the taliban . This would also have pitted hizbollah and al qaeda against each other and literally routed the entire islamic camp with it. This war would have also dragged Pakistan into the conflict as Pakistan was the backer of the taliban and iran that of the northern alliance.
This war had the potential to destroy the entire terror camp.
2- Since the 90's, india has many times lost patience with Pakistani terror and decided to go to war to wipe Pakistani terror camps and nuclear potential out, but instead of encouraging India to do so, western efforts focused on preventing India from doing so
if the west had a non islamist resource within the region, this war would have taken place, but instead the islamist resource was busy quickly patching things up between the hostile islamic camps.
The west needs to replace its islamic resource with western linguists and western, latino and africans to dominate teams composed of muslims to prevent the muslims from commandeering the teams with their agenda.
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A study of Islamic history from the early 20th century through the present day, helps us draw parallels to use the same solution to deal with Islamic militarism and terror.
The ottoman empire was the source of islamic expansionism and militarism till the ottoman empire was reduced to just one ethnicity, the turks, and secular rule established there to emphasize turkish ethnic sentiment over islamic sentiment. We need to similarly carve up all islamic expansionist powers into small ethnic states emphasizing ethnic sentiment over islamic sentiment.
The west also needs to replace islamic translators with western linguists to prevent the islamic world from running their own mini intelligence service in the midst of western intelligence.
Fig 1 shows how the ottoman empire was first reduced to turkey to rob it of the infrastructure and resources to aspire for a world role. Turkey was then purged of all islamic sentiment by a secularist leader like kemal attaturk.
Fig 1- transformation of islamist ottoman empire into secular turkey
if i were to explain this in steps.
i- The ottoman empire was first of all reduced to just one ethnicity, the turks.
ii- Kemal attaturk then emphasized this turkish ethnicity over islamic senitment.
today, we need to do the same with the three major sponsors of terror.
1- carve them into small ethnic states to rob them of the infrastructure and resources to pursue terror, WMD or large armies.
2- Put secularists like kemal attaturk in charge of these ethnic states to purge them of all islamic sentiment.
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Fig a- iran's neighboring countries
i- Fig-a shows iran's neighboring nations, while Fig 2 shows the break up of iran. It shows how the azerisareas of iran could be merged with azerbaijan to bring azerbaijan up to challenge iranian power. Similarly parts of iran could be merged with turkeministan, afghanistan and kurds areas. Iranian baluchistan could be merged with the pakistani baluchistan into an independent state to control all iranian sea traffic through the strait of hormuz.
Fig 2- The breakup of islamist Iran into secular ethnic states
ii- Fig 3 shows how Pakistani sind and baluchistan could be formed into independent countries, giving the west access to all Pakistani ports and mineral resource. It also shows how islamist pashtun and punjab areas could be incorporated into central asia and india to subdue the islamic sentiment.
Fig 3- transformation of islamist Pakistan into secular ethnic states
iii- Fig 4 shows that saudi arabia could be similarly broken up into numerous small states the size of qatar to prevent
it's oil wealth from being used to sponsor islamic terror or political movements.
Fig 4 - The breakup of saudi arabia into secular states like qatar and oman
iv- Fig 5 shows how islamic countries use terror groups in collaboration with islamic cadres in western intelligence to achieve their policy goals.
Fig 5- islamic manipulation of western policy through terror
To thwart this, we need to force islamic state sponsors of terror to crack down on terror groups, while we replace islamic translators in western intelligence with western linguists to monitor the islamic cadres to prevent the muslims from running their own mini intelligence service right within the midst of western intelligence.
A- Today, there are three state sponsors of islamic terror,Iran, Pakistan and saudi arabia.
Pan islamic parties like jamiati islami and pan islamists within the paki establishment provide a bridge between the wahhabi and shiite camp.
Pakistan is the hub of the entire terror effort with both radical shiite and wahhabi elements not only present in Pakistan, but brought together by parties like jamiati islami and islamic cadres in western intelligence.
The same way that the ottoman empire was first broken up in the past along ethnic lines to rob it of the infrastructure, resources, size and the islamic sentiment and then secular kemal attaturk put in power to weed the islamists of turkey, today, similar measures are needed against iran, pakistan and saudi arabia.
1- Pakistan: Pakistan has been responsible for terror stretching from india, afghanistan, hamas, algeria and chechenya all the way to bosnia, albania, europe and america.
the most islamic and hostile islamic ethnicities in pakistan are the pashtuns and the punjabis.
a -The pashtun ethnicity makes up the taliban in afghanistan and jamiati islami and al qaeda ranks in Pakistan.
they also make the volatile elements of the shiite community in Pakistan with strong links to groups like hizbollah.
the large pashtun expatriate community in saudi arabia together with al qaeda tried to topple the saudi monarchy.
Pashtun expatriate populations in moderate islamic states like dubai and malaysia have been the source of all islamic unrest in those regions as well. The recent al qaeda arrest in dubai, again was that of a pashtun. The previous war against iraq resulted in protests by the pashtun communities in dubai, kuwait etc.
i- Pashtuns as a community needed to be deported from moderate islamic countries and replaced with filipino and other non muslim workers.
ii- Pashtun businesses need to be all bankrupted as they not only finance al qaeda activity but might also be working as al qaeda's communication channels between saudi arabia, dubai and pakistan.
iii- the pashtun areas need to be merged into afghanistan or central asian states to be subdued by other ethnicities.
b- Punjab another troublesome and militant province needs to be merged into the indian punjab, since they both have the same ethnicity. there the sikhs would keep islamic sentiment subdued.
c- The sindhis and the baluchis are secularist pakistani minorities. Baluchis are the smallest Pakistani ethnicity, but baluchistan is the largest pakistani province accounting for all of Pakistan's mineral resource with ccess to the strategic strait of hormuz. together with sind, baluchistan accounts for all of Pakistan's coastline and sea ports.
we should turn these ethnicities into independent nations, which would give us control over all the trade flowing into
the region and all of the mineral wealth as well.
2- Iran: Shiite iran has been the source of most of the instability in iraq, lebanon, and a spate of terror attacks against the west. The shiite community dispersed around the world ,provides iran with a very large intelligence presence around the world.
the reformists, in iran though wanting freedoms for themselves, also seem to want a powerful iran armed with nukes and missiles. we should nevertheless use these reformists to push the hardliners out. We could then use the third force or the truly westernized iranians to push the reformists out. we should then divide iran into small countries to rob it of regional aspirations.
Persians make up only 51% of iran.
i- the azeris account for 26% of the iranian population and could be easily merged into neighboring azerbaijan, turning azerbaijan into a powerful state to challenge iranian hegemony in the region.
ii- Similarly, the turkmen, kurd, and afghan regions could be merged into those countries.
iii- the baluchis, though a very small iranian ethnicity could together with Pakistani baluchis be created into an independent nation that would control the strait of hormuz and the sea traffic flowing into iran, remaining pakistan and afghanistan.
3- saudi arabia: Saud created saudi arabia out of warring arab tribes. These tribes could again be incorporated into
small sheikdoms the size of qatar.
B- The organization of islamic conference brought together the fusion of the entire islamic resource in western intelligence, turning the islamic resource in western intelligence into a mini islamic agency within the western intelligence community.
The absence of western translators might have robbed the islamic cadres of the necessary checks and balances and allowed the muslims to run their own intelligence service within the western intelligence community.
By using terror groups in conjunction with these islamic cadres, the islamic govts could impose any agenda on the west.
we need to replace islamic translators with western linguists, and westerners, latinos and africans as the majority in teams that operate in the islamic world. Islamic moles should again be directly controlled by western operators with no islamic intermediaries to commandeer them.
C- islamic WMD's and missles pose the most significant threat to the civilized world.
i- we should encourage india to take Pakistan out. Russia and many other nations could then provide the troops for peacekeeping, while we carve it into independent nations.
ii- we should let israel take the iranian nuclear installations out and provide them with whatever tools and help that might be needed to do that. A peace keeping force should then be assembled for both iran and lebanon, while iran is carved up into small ethnic states.
D- Hardwork and dedication can transform these theories into reality.
we would still have been in the stone ages with no semblances of either scientific or human development, if it weren't for theories turned into reality through hard work.
Likewise all these measures against the islamic world can be realized, if the west has the long term will and dedication to see it through.
take a look at the postings and the diagrams.
It's new stuff weaved into some old stuff, while the diagrams make it easier to understand
Actually, Pakiland would be broken into Pakhtoonistan which would take all of southern Afhganistan too. Then there would be Baluchistan, Punjab and Sindh and probably a state carved out of Baluchistan for the Muhajirs
I would'nt want to see Pakistan(or any part) of it being joined with India for another 20 to 30 years-India has enough problems of it's own
Having said that,I would'nt mind reunification(provided Pakistan is in one piece then) if
1.India goes at it's current rate of economic growth for the next 20-25 years.
2. the problems in the Northeast & J and K ease out(as they are slowly but steadily).
3.the BIMARU states get better economically & socially.
4.communal relations stay stable .
Other than the plains of Punjab-
1.I covet the Makran coast(near Iran) for it's commercial & strategic proximity to Persian Gulf.
2. POK & Gilgit- Baltistan(i think they call it the Northern territories) for historical & patriotic reasons as well as their proximity to Tibet and Aksai Chin as they can act as a potential buffer against China.
Nah, India doesn't need the people, just the land utp to and across the Indus and the coast lands.
Bumping bumping, bumping.......
You don't want to create a pakhtoonistan.
The pakhtoons are the most troublesome and islamic ethnicity in the world, right from the time of the british rule to the present day.
The pakhtoons made 100% of the taliban ranks.
Al qaeda today is again hiding in pakhtoon areas.
most of the jamiati islami leadership is pakhtoon.
most of the protests against the war in iraq in moderate islamic states like dubai were again staged by pakhtoon migrant workers in those countries.
You don't want to create a pakhtoon state, you'd rather have them merged into afghanistan or central asia to be subdued by them.
pakhtoons or pashtuns are the source of the entire problem in the afghanistan/pakistan region.
they made up the taliban in afghanistan and they make up most of the jamiati islami in pakistan.
pakhtoon migrant workers are also the source of potential trouble in moderate arab states like dubai and kuwait etc.
they need to be deported and then merged into afghanistan or the entire bunch into central asia.
Last year the saudis pumped $ 2 billion in aid into Pakistan amidst many speeches against israel and india.
The money it seems was given to pakistan to destroy the jewish and indian lobbies
Just one historical footnote.
Khan Abdul Ghaffar Khan, aka the Frontier Gandhi was a supporter of Gandhi, Nehru and an undivided India in the 1930's and 1940's.
He became sidelined, when to his great disappointment and what he felt was betrayal by both the Indian Congress and the British, Pakistan was created and Pakhtoonistan was relegated to a division between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
The PAkistanis have exploited the warrior abilities of the Pathans, radicalizing them to the point they are what they are now.
Traditionally, all tribal chiefs in Pakistan used to be given honorary postitions and ranks in the Afghan Army, even after Pakistan came into existence.
Unfortunately, now, the secularists are few and far between.
Karzai, the FM of Afghanistan Dr. A. Abdullah, maybe some others.
pakhtoons are the most savage, barbaric, treacherous, islamized and volatile ethnicity in the world.
they are responsible for all of the fanatacism and trouble in afghanistan and almost all of it in pakistan as well.
the taliban were 100% pakthtoons. the pakhtoons make most of the al qaeda and jamiati islami ranks in pakistan. Pakhtoon migrant workers are responsible for most of the trouble in moderate states like dubai
If you pay attention to history, apart from maybe one odd leader like ghaffar khan, the pakhtoon have always been deeply savage and fanatic.the kashmir problem arose because fanatic pakhtoon hordes from pakistan invading india. Even today, pakhtoons have been involved in the militancy in kashmir.
if we didnt have the northern alliance on our side in afghanistan to subdue the pakhtoons, afghanistan would have been another iraq.
IIRC ,pre Independence the Northwest frontier province was pro India & it's legislative assembly infact voted in a majority to join India rather than Pakistan.But due to a host of reasons(The Muslim league's treason,British complicity,Congress's lack of opportunism & due to benevolence of folks like the Hindu Mahasabha),they stayed in Pakiland.
The current rot in the NWFP started in the 80s with Zia's Islamisation drive which saw millions of Saudi(& American) dollars pumped into the region to organise Jihad.With the mass settlement of Afghan refugees,Islam became the dominant force in the NFWP in place of nationalism.The Northern Alliance wouldn't have the need to have existed if the ISI(Punjabi dominated) had'nt formed the Taliban to radicalise & divide Pashtuns.
TRue, the Pathans have been twisted by Paki and Saudi Wahabbiism
The pakhtoons are the most barbaric, savage, uncouth and deeply fanatic people you can come across.
they were subdued by the sikhs and recently the tajiks did a fine job of keeping them subdued.
afghanistan would have been worse than iraq, if it hadnt been for the tajiks subdueing the pakhtoons.
You cannot grant independence to troublesome ethnicities like the pakhtoons or sects like the wahhabis and shiites.
You have to keep them subdued with another strong ethnicity.
cronos: The people around ghaffar khan might have been a tiny minority. Pakhtoon savage hordes invaded kashmir back in 1948. the paki army would have been crushed by the indians. It was a sea of savage pakhtoon fanatical hordes
that created the kashmir mess in the first place.
even today, you can link most of the terror in the region to mostly pakhtoon savages.
pakhtoons are not only fanatical, they are also dangerously dumb.
On an IQ test, a chimp could burry a pakhtoon in dust.
pakthtoons, pakis and muslims are stone age, because they are extremely stupid.
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