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Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?
The American Thinker ^ | October 24, 2005 | James Lewis

Posted on 10/24/2005 7:17:02 AM PDT by Quilla

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To: Quilla
Excellent read.

I've never been the black helicopter type but Lewis makes a compelling argument.

There can be no doubt that the Left in all of it's manifestations has been out to bring President Bush down since the day he took office.

I wish this had been posted in news/activism as extended news or editorial/commentary. It would be seen by more freepers.

Thank you for posting this,Quilla.

21 posted on 10/24/2005 8:40:32 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: smoothsailing
I originally posted it to Front Page News. Since it magically appeared in Bloggerss & Personal, I can only assume The American Thinker is considered a blog site. Too bad, because as you mentioned, Lewis does an excellent job analyzing the situation.
22 posted on 10/24/2005 8:45:33 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla; Admin Moderator
I've posted articles from American Thinker as editorials and they stay in news/activism, so the mods must have another reason.

ATTN, Admin.Mod., can this article be posted in news/activism?

23 posted on 10/24/2005 9:04:32 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: RedStateQueen
Welcome to Free Republic.

Joe Wilson outed his non-covert wife a long time ago as outlined in this earlier American Thinker article:

 Joe Wilson's speech

A month before Robert Novak wrote his column supposedly outing Valerie Plame, Joseph Wilson gave a speech in which he talks in the third person about a person who is obviously himself, allows Valerie Plame to be identified as his wife, and discloses his intense opposition to the war in Iraq, as well as his anti-Israel sentiments.  He makes clear that he is the source of the Kristoff/Pincus leaks about his mission.  He even  says that “this thing has legs,” that it will take two or three months, but it has legs – implying, perhaps, that he had already been working with the Kerry campaign to make this issue big – attacking the President’s credibility on the war.

Clifford May noted this Wilson speech in July 2003, but only to show that Wilson wasn’t credible because of the kind of groups to which he was speaking and how easy it was to find out from non-Administration people who his wife was and where she worked because he, in fact, had done so.    He did not go into the substance of the speech or the important fact that his wife was already listed there on the website bio.

The speech was given at EPIC, the Education for Peace in Iraq Center, a left wing organization, which has, a least for the moment, an audio file of the speech on its website  A poster at the Free Republic website named “Fedora” transcribed parts of the speech.

Here are some highlights:

“Let me just start out by saying, as a preface to what I really want to talk about, to those of you who are going out and lobbying tomorrow, I just want to assure you that that American ambassador who has been cited in reports in the New York Times and in the Washington Post, and now in the Guardian over in London, who actually went over to Niger on behalf of the government-not of the CIA but of the government-and came back in February of 2002 and told the government that there was nothing to this story, later called the government after the British white paper was published and said you all need to do some fact-checking and make sure the Brits aren’t using bad information in the publication of the white paper, and who called both the CIA and the State Department after the President’s State of the Union and said to them you need to worry about the political manipulation of intelligence if, in fact, the President is talking about Niger when he mentions Africa. That person was told by the State Department that, well, you know, there’s four countries that export uranium. That person had served in three of those countries, so he knew a little bit about what he was talking about when he said you really need to worry about this. But I can assure you that that retired American ambassador to Africa, as Nick Kristof called him in his article, is also pissed off, and has every intention of ensuring that this story has legs. And I think it does have legs. It may not have legs over the next two or three months, but when you see American casualties moving from one to five or to ten per day, and you see Tony Blair’s government fall because in the U.K. it is a big story, there will be some ramifications, I think, here in the United States, so I hope that you will do everything you can to keep the pressure on. Because it is absolutely bogus for us to have gone to war the way we did.”

“I remain of the view that we will find chemical and biological weapons, and we may well find something that indicates that Saddam’s regime maintained an interest in nuclear weapons—not surprising if you live in a part of the world where you do have a nuclear-armed country, an enemy of yours, which is just a country away from you….”

 [snip]

 “But I do know. . .that in order to have a liberation strategy, you have to have people who are willing to fight for their own liberation. Otherwise you will never get that liberation bounce that Ken Adelman promised us—that Richard Perle promised us, when he said that Iraqis would be cheering us from the rooftops at our marching in there.” 

[snip] 

“Evidence of that can be found in the Habbaniya gold market today. The price of gold jewelry in Habbaniya is cheaper than it is anywhere else in the world. And that is because the middle class has had to liquidate all their assets. In Iraq, like in many other parts of the world, people keep their assets, their wealth, in gold….”

 [snip]

“The real agenda in all this, of course, was to redraw the political map of the Middle East. Now that is code, whether you like it or not, but it is code for putting into place the strategy memorandum which was done by Richard Perle and his study group in the mid-90s, which was called ‘A Clean Break: A New Strategy for the Realm’. And what it is, cut to the quick, is if you take out some of these countries, or some of these governments, that are antagonistic to Israel, then you provide the Israeli government with greater wherewithal to impose its terms and conditions on the Palestinian people. . .But that is the real agenda. You can put weapons of mass destruction out there, you can put terrorism out there, you can put liberation out there. Weapons of mass destruction got hard-headed realists on board, through a bunch of lies. . .”

And this is from the website about the program:

He is married to the former Valerie Plame and has four children.

Clarice Feldman   10 10 05




25 posted on 10/24/2005 9:41:43 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla

I didn't even know she was in movies.


26 posted on 10/24/2005 9:42:14 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (In DC, Pork is what's for dinner)
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To: dubyaismypresident

Does anyone know if Valerie Plame is still employed at the CIA's CPD? I have not heard that she was removed or resigned due to the coverage.


27 posted on 10/24/2005 9:46:54 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: Quilla
Humor break

Memory Lane

As the clock runs out on the Plame grand jury, my thoughts were on the  indictment of Casper Weinberger by independent prosecutor Lawrence Walsh.

As you'll recall, then President Bush lost the election but pardoned Weinberger before he left office. In rereading the account of the furor created by the pardon, I came across this:

[[President-elect Bill Clinton, at a news conference in Little Rock, Ark., to announce his remaining Cabinet selections, said he wanted to learn more about the pardons, adding, "I am concerned by any action that sends a signal that if you work for the Government, you're beyond the law, or that not telling the truth to Congress under oath is somehow less serious than not telling the truth to some other body under oath."

Truly, Bill Clinton is a gift that keeps on giving. 

Clarice Feldman   10 24 05

28 posted on 10/24/2005 10:00:20 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Quilla

"it is now time to draw a bright line in the sand against meddling by the secret government in domestic politics. Our future is on the line."

True words. Here's hoping the GJ and Fitzgerald understand this....


29 posted on 10/24/2005 10:48:15 AM PDT by mondonico
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To: dubyaismypresident

OMG, it took me over an hour. NOW I get it. LOL!


30 posted on 10/24/2005 10:50:28 AM PDT by Quilla
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To: Quilla; dubyaismypresident
OMG, it took me over an hour. NOW I get it. LOL!

Now THAT is self-control!!! ;-P

31 posted on 10/24/2005 11:17:47 AM PDT by MortMan (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: Always Right

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Is Valerie Plame the new Deep Throat?
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It depends. Will we allow Dubya to be the next Richard Nixon ? Will Dick Cheney be the next Spiro Agnew ? If this is the case, is anyone prepared for President Dennis Hastert ?


32 posted on 10/24/2005 11:30:37 AM PDT by SirLinksalot
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To: smoothsailing
A for effort!

;^)

33 posted on 10/24/2005 11:30:56 AM PDT by Quilla
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34 posted on 10/24/2005 11:33:21 AM PDT by LivFREEordie
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To: Quilla
It was worth it! ;o)
35 posted on 10/24/2005 11:35:56 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Quilla

This scenario really was obvious very shortly after Joe Wilson came out with his speech demanding Rove be frog-marched.

It's sad to see it had to take so long for serious types to catch a clue. They were so reluctant to see what was there to be seen.

But as documentation has piled up with all of it pointing to a rogue CIA plot and away from any non-sensical Bush retaliating against the delicate Ms Plame theory, they've been forced to confront the ugly truth.

Better late than never. It is good to finally see voices speaking out and articulating the facts. The only way to fight the evil plan is to keep saying it and make sure the real wrong-doers face charges, not those who are serving their country honorably.


36 posted on 10/24/2005 12:21:08 PM PDT by victoria wilson (double naught spy)
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To: RedStateQueen

Let me guess; you were on the "Bush knew and should have stopped 9/11" bandwagon, right?

Try some intellectual consistancy based on facts.

You're right, you don't know.


37 posted on 10/24/2005 12:26:45 PM PDT by victoria wilson (double naught spy)
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To: Quilla

ping


38 posted on 10/24/2005 12:27:10 PM PDT by SueRae
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To: massgopguy
Does anyone know if Valerie Plame is still employed at the CIA's CPD? I have not heard that she was removed or resigned due to the coverage.

She was on a year's leave and supposedly returned in June in an undisclosed role, per her husband via the NYT, reported sometime over the summer around the time she "returned".

39 posted on 10/24/2005 12:30:25 PM PDT by victoria wilson (double naught spy)
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