Posted on 11/07/2008 11:00:42 AM PST by big black dog
For some reason this issue with Obama’s birth certificate will not fade away. There seems to be a nagging belief by many that he is not a natural born citizen of this country and is therefore not qualified to be president. Critics of those that continue to hang onto this theory simply swat away these suggestions as racist (I know, shocking) and coming from people that don’t want to see a half black dude in the White house.
One tiny little bit of information, that you will never find in the lamestream media, seems to point to the fact that those that doubt Obama’s citizenship status just might be on to something.
Back in April of ‘08 highly partisan Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill of Missouri, a staunch and fervent supporter of Barack Obama, inexplicably introduced Senate Resolution 511 a resolution recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen. She was joined by five other Democratic senators including Barack Obama in an effort to push this bill through the senate. The original text of this bill read:
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110th CONGRESS
2d Session
S. RES. 511
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
IN THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES
April 10, 2008
Mrs. MCCASKILL (for herself, Mr. LEAHY, Mr. OBAMA, Mr. COBURN, Mrs. CLINTON, and Mr. WEBB) submitted the following resolution; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary
RESOLUTION
Recognizing that John Sidney McCain, III, is a natural born citizen.
Whereas the Constitution of the United States requires that, to be eligible for the Office of the President, a person must be a `natural born Citizen’ of the United States;
Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States;
Whereas there is no evidence of the intention of the Framers or any Congress to limit the constitutional rights of children born to Americans serving in the military nor to prevent those children from serving as their country’s President;
Whereas such limitations would be inconsistent with the purpose and intent of the `natural born Citizen’ clause of the Constitution of the United States, as evidenced by the First Congress’s own statute defining the term `natural born Citizen’;
Whereas the well-being of all citizens of the United States is preserved and enhanced by the men and women who are assigned to serve our country outside of our national borders;
Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President; and
Whereas John Sidney McCain, III, was born to American citizens on an American military base in the Panama Canal Zone in 1936: Now, therefore, be it
Resolved,That John Sidney McCain, III, is a `natural born Citizen’ under Article II, Section 1, of the Constitution of the United States.
At first blush one may think “big deal” but read it again and see what these five Democrats were really trying to accomplish.
a)Whereas the term `natural born Citizen’, as that term appears in Article II, Section 1, is not defined in the Constitution of the United States
b)Whereas previous presidential candidates were born outside of the United States of America and were understood to be eligible to be President;
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Now why would five Democratic senators including the one running for president bother drafting a resolution declaring their Republican opponent eligible for office while carefully crafting the bill to be accepting of someone born outside of the U.S. and perhaps NOT a natural born citizen to also be eligible to hold the office of president if elected? Hmmmmmm?
It seems clear to me what they were attempting to accomplish especially with statement “b” and that was to declare Obama eligible for the office of president even if he wasn’t born here or qualified as a “natural born” citizen.
There was no need to issue this resolution for McCain as he was already known to have been born at the Coco Solo Naval Air Station in the Panama Canal Zone, Panama which was under U.S. control at the time of his birth. His father was naval officer John S. McCain, Jr. McCain was cleared to run for president in 2000 based on this information so there was no reason for McCaskill and her pals to introduce the resolution except as cover for Obama in the event he was indeed elected as president.
I am talking about the long form that is made at the hospital and very detailed, not the short form that he published on his web site, but declared a fraud by document experts....
Right,
To help clarify for everyone, his original birth certificate in 1961 was typewriter written with the hospital and doctors name on it. There should be a microfiche image copy of it somewhere.
What is being shown is a printout of a Certificate of Live Birth from the data on file. But in Hawaii these digital forms can be given out for people born abroad to American citizens.
Therefore he could be a naturalized citizen by the digital form but not a natural born citizen as the Constitution requires.
Hope this helps.
O was born in Hawaii to an American mother and a Kenyan father. Kenya, in 1961, was not an independent country, but a British colony which means O’s father was a British subject. O’s mother had not resided in the US for at least five years as an adult since she was 18 when she had O. O is not automatically an American citizen. Citizenship would have to have been applied for. O’s mother then took off to live in Indonesia with O where he was adopted by his stepfather, an Indonesian citizen. Now O is an Indonesian citizen. When he was sent to the US to live with his grandparents, he would have had to taken the oath of American citizenship.
Did he ever do this?
Can't vouch for this website, but here's a start:
US Presidential candidates born outside the US
Barry Goldwater
George Romney
Lowell Weicker
John McCain
This wouldn't be the same Democratic Senator Claire McCaskill who voted absentee then had the audacity to show up at the polls on election day and try to vote again -- until someone checked the records and they had to tear up her ballot on the spot -- all caught on news camera.
If he is a natural born citizen then why doesn’t he simply produce it? I think we all know why.
The solution is so easy and simple that it defies reason to think it's being avoided can be for any reason other than to hide something.
If born in USA, all other issues are irrelevant. He's a US citizen forever, unless he formally renounces his citizenship.
If born elsewhere, which is possible though not likely, he might still be a "native-born citizen," although some of these residency requirements and other issues might come into play.
It is not possible to "accidentally" lose one's US citizenship. A parent cannot renounce citizenship for a child. Traveling on a foreign passport or even becoming a citizen of another country under their laws does not void citizenship. Our laws do not care what other countries have to say about citizenship.
The only way to lose American citizenship is to formally and in writing renounce it following the prescribed procedures, as an adult. No other way.
I am not sure they actually said that.
They said they had a COLB. Not the same as a BC.
I am not one to pursue tinfoil hat fantasies, but I am extremely puzzled why there are so many mysteries. All Zero has to do is release the documents that prove his birth.
Just like tin foil hats, they both go hand in hand.
This historian may be highly educated, but he apparently has never read the Constitution
Article 2, Section 1.5: No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President; neither shall any Person be eligible to that Office who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty five Years, and been fourteen Years a Resident within the United States.
Jackson was most definitely a citizen when the Constitution was adopted in 1787. Therefore he was fully eligible to be president.
It also seems highly unlikely he was 12 years older than he claimed. Then he would have been fully grown during the Revolution, not a young teenager as is well known.
AJ's birthplace is also not west of the Appalachians. It's not far from Charlotte.
How many mistakes can be fitted into one post?
Vice President becomes President. New President nominates new Vice President who then must be confirmed by the Senate(always has been so far). Can you more accurately say Vice President Hillary!
Ravenstar
I find it incomprehensible that not only has 0bamination been elected without proof of citizenship but equally as vomit inducing is putting a person in the highest office who cannot obtain a security clearance. How the heck does that happen???
He’s a liberal. ‘nuff said.
related....
http://gunnyg.wordpress.com/2008/11/06/comrade-barak-obama-is-not-americas-next-president-by-devvy/
If those proportions be true, then Hussein be 3/4 white, bro, cuz Arabs be white. So the bros in da hood, dey bes’ realize, dey done elected a honky.
http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_citi.html
The ways to lose citizenship are detailed in 8 USC 1481:
* Becoming naturalized in another country * Swearing an oath of allegiance to another country * Serving in the armed forces of a nation at war with the U.S., or if you are an officer in that force * Working for the government of another nation if doing so requires that you become naturalized or that you swear an oath of allegiance * Formally renouncing citizenship at a U.S. consular office * Formally renouncing citizenship to the U.S. Attorney General * By being convicted of committing treason
It's over. Hawaii says it's a legal birth certificate.
Exactly.
This is a dead issue, and continuing to persue it only de-legitimizes us.
Now's the time to roll up our sleeves and rebuild the Republican brand. Persuing these bizarre conspiracy theories is extremely counter-productive to that end, and will serve only to push more voters away from the GOP and towards the libs, who look more and more respectable the more we howl at the moon.
Yep, all of which involves an adult formally and knowingly renouncing his citizenship.
You don’t understand — if the candidate had blue eyes and blond hair they would have insisted on a birth certificate.
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