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To: Gaffer
It is now only a matter of where the first actual shots will be fired.

It takes a lot of will and self sacrifice to defeat an army and I think you give waaaaay too much credit to the people of this nation. Going back to the Vietnam era this country will not rise up and take up arms in facing a modern military force. The test of this was the gun grab after Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans. If anybody could be expected to shoot back you'd think it'd be them thar CAJUNS but noooooo they all rolled over.

A lot of folks talk FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS but when they face a crystal nacht midnight raid from a SWAT team for their guns with MP5s pointed at the heads of their kids, they'll do what the generations of public school grads have been well taught: They will submit with a mere whimper.

Randy Weaver was as good as his word in this respect. What did it get him. A dead wife. A dead son a dead dog and a court case. He won rthe court case but those loved ones are still dead. Did the rest of the populace RISE UP to help? Nope, we all watched as the goons in government and their federal gestapo were built up as heroes by the mass media as the poor citizen (Weaver) was vilified and isolated. Cut off he had one choice: Surrender. That it took the most decorated Special Forces Officers of the Vietnam era was significant. Bo Gritz negotiated the surrender but after the cost in lives had already been paid.

Talk is cheap. Deeds not words.

44 posted on 05/11/2009 11:27:51 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: ExSoldier

While I agree largely with you. Times such as now and yet-to-come are not ordinary. You will begin to see the smart ones go quiet. You also presume that the ‘Army’ will abet what is likely to come. At some point a difficult decision spurred by strife will occur. It is then we will see if our soldiers really value freedom and liberty over obedience. People do not even come close to realize what is happening now, but they will...


45 posted on 05/11/2009 11:59:34 AM PDT by Gaffer
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