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UPDATE!! BARACK OBAMA IS GOING TO USE GOD TO SELL OBAMACARE:
Team Sarah ^ | 08/19/09 | Susan W

Posted on 08/19/2009 9:33:55 AM PDT by Cecilia Trent

Mr. Obama is going to be using a new tactic to sell his Obamacare. Today, he meets with liberal religious leaders...

I have no idea what is in Obama's soul...I have no idea how deep his relationship is with his God...but I am wildly perplexed how the Left-Wing in this country, who spit on people of Faith, and belittle religion at every turn, now think they have some moral standing on which to preach to us about our own spirituality.

Again, how stupid do they think we are?

I am not going to judge those spiritual leaders and their congregations for whatever role they play in helping Obama use God to sell Obamacare. That's between them and God. I have a partial list of folks below.

I just have one question for Mr. Obama...but I am not going to ask it myself.

Rather, I am going to use the words of Sarah Palin, who just the other day begged an answer from Obama regarding one of the moral aspects of Obamacare. Here are her words from Facebook:

"...nationalized health care inevitably leads to rationing. There is simply no way to cover everyone and hold down the costs at the same time. The rationing system proposed by one of President Obama’s key health care advisors is particularly disturbing. I’m speaking of the “Complete Lives System” advocated by Dr. Ezekiel Emanuel, the brother of the president’s chief of staff. President Obama has not yet stated any opposition to the “Complete Lives System,” a system which, if enacted, would refuse to allocate medical resources to the elderly, the infirm, and the disabled who have less economic potential. [1] Why the silence from the president on this aspect of his nationalization of health care? Does he agree with the “Complete Lives System”? If not, then why is Dr. Emanuel his policy advisor? What is he advising the president on? I just learned that Dr. Emanuel is now distancing himself from his own work and claiming that his “thinking has evolved” on the question of rationing care to benefit the strong and deny the weak."

Sarah Palin asked you a very clear question, Mr. Obama. Does your Christ following heart agree with Emanuel? Would the God you worship agree with your other health adviser, Peter Singer, that its okay to end the lives of disabled children who are under the age of two?

Answer those questions Obama. Answer those questions before you preach to us about morality and human dignity.

>HERE'S THE LIST (These news snippets were found on the LA Times)

The president will address more than 1,000 leaders of different faiths in two conference calls, hoping they will pass on his ideas about the overhaul to their parishioners.

President Obama has barnstormed the country to sell his healthcare overhaul directly to sometimes-skeptical Americans. Today he will bring his message to a friendlier audience -- faith leaders who see reform as an ethical and religious imperative.

Obama is scheduled to address more than 1,000 religious figures in two conference calls, allowing him to extend his message to legions of faithful in the pews.

First up is a "High Holy Day" call this morning with rabbis from Judaism's Reform, Conservative and Reconstructionist movements. Organizers hope the call will provide fodder for synagogue sermons when the Jewish holidays arrive next month.

The center is a co-sponsor of the second conference call later in the day -- pegged as "40 Minutes for Health Reform" -- with scores of lay leaders and clergy from evangelical, Protestant, Catholic and Jewish traditions.

"My hope and prayer is that President Obama is going to hold firm to his principle of making sure everyone is covered," said the Rev. Jim Wallis, head of the progressive evangelical group Sojourners and a member of Obama's faith-based advisory council. "Holding presidents to promises they have made is a good vocation for the faith community."

Obama's conversations with faith leaders come as major religious groups -- including Faith in Public Life and Catholics in Alliance for the Common Good, ramp up a national campaign to influence the fall debate over healthcare.

The effort, known as "40 Days for Health Reform," features a national television ad, prayer rallies, meetings in congressional districts where lawmakers are waffling and a nationwide "sermon weekend" at the end of August.

Today's conference call with Obama, which will be webcast at faithforhealth.org, is designed to propel the myriad initiatives.

One figure scheduled on the call, the Rev. Joel Hunter of the 10,000-member Northland Church near Orlando, Fla., said Obama needs to go through religious leaders to sell his message "because that's who has access to the vast majority of people in this country."

Hunter also serves on Obama's faith-based council. "We want to find a solution, not find a fau


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: bho44; bhohealthcare; obama; obamacare; socializedmedicine; townhall; townhalls

1 posted on 08/19/2009 9:33:56 AM PDT by Cecilia Trent
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To: Cecilia Trent

How about thou shall not covet thy neighbors’ wealth to pay for your health care.


2 posted on 08/19/2009 9:35:17 AM PDT by all the best
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To: Cecilia Trent
Today, he meets with liberal religious leaders...

Rick Warren and whom?

3 posted on 08/19/2009 9:35:41 AM PDT by American_Centurion (No, I don't trust the government to automatically do the right thing.)
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To: Cecilia Trent

Isn’t BO god?


4 posted on 08/19/2009 9:36:22 AM PDT by Man50D (Fair Tax, you earn it, you keep it! FairTaxNation.com)
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To: Cecilia Trent
BARACK OBAMA IS GOING TO USE GOD TO SELL OBAMACARE:

Well, it IS the next logical step after using his dead grandmother.

5 posted on 08/19/2009 9:37:02 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Cecilia Trent
If the Godless liberals think they are going to debate morality with God-fearing conservatives and win, WOW are they going to be in for a shock.
6 posted on 08/19/2009 9:38:21 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Cecilia Trent

Until he gets struck by lightning!


7 posted on 08/19/2009 9:38:23 AM PDT by I Hate Obama ("Life Is Like A Box of Chocolates, You Never Know What You're Gonna Get." -Forest Gump)
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To: Cecilia Trent
I'm still trying to understand what a ‘liberal religious leader’ is...
8 posted on 08/19/2009 9:38:47 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: Cecilia Trent

Im one who believes the creator prefers to stay out of our affairs. However, when we claim to do things in the creator’s name we better be legit. Otherwise karma, fate, and justice can be a real b!tch.


9 posted on 08/19/2009 9:38:55 AM PDT by DogBarkTree (Support Sarah. http://www.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/sarahpalin?ref=nf)
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To: Cecilia Trent
Can government do the work of God (Charity)?

What I have read and understood from the Bible is that God and Jesus wants us to help each other by using our own time, treasure and talent and to give from our hearts ("Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver." - 2 Corinthians 9:7). Nowhere have I found anything along the lines of "Go out and institute huge bureaucracies that will take money from some people at the point of a sword and give that money to other people as a politician sees fit."

Our Founding Fathers were Christian and very pious men. They founded this country under strong Judeo-Christian tenets and reflected on their religious beliefs on all their decisions. They wrote nothing into the Constitution of any type of government "aid" to help the poor, children or anyone else on purpose. They wanted a very limited government for good reason. Limited government is the best way to ensure that freedom will be preserved. The Scottish philosopher Alexander Tytler, who lived during the time of the American Revolution and writing of the US Constitution, summed these views:

"A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the public treasure.

From that moment on the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most money from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's great civilizations has been two hundred years.

These nations have progressed through the following sequence: from bondage to spiritual faith, from spiritual faith to great courage, from courage to liberty, from liberty to abundance, from abundance to selfishness, from selfishness to complacency from complacency to apathy, from apathy to dependency, from dependency back to bondage."

There are many interesting questions if citizens rely on government to do "God's Work."

If a government takes a portion of a man's wages and does good with it, has the man also done good? If a government takes away a portion of a woman's property and does evil with it, has the woman also done evil? When a rich man pays more in taxes than a poor person, is he more Godly? If the government then does evil, is he more to blame? A woman works for the government and uses other people's tax money and does "God Work" with it, is this government woman now a good/Godly woman? If I legally try to avoid paying taxes, does that not make me an "Ungodly" man?

Today, the US government (federal, state and local) takes nearly 50% of a middle-class person's paycheck after all taxes are factored in (income taxes, Social Security, sales tax, real estate taxes, gas tax, death taxes, phone taxes, highway tolls, sad etc.). Uncle Sam will spend more money in just this year (2004) than it spent combined between 1787 and 1900 - even after adjusting for inflation. I cringe at those numbers.

The Founding Fathers wanted nothing like the tax-consuming monster that we have as a government today. I also think of all the good work that could have be done if people were allowed to keep more of their own money and give it to organizations/people that they believe in their heart are doing God's work. Maybe it comes down to trust. Will people do the right thing with their own money or must a government take a huge chunk of it to do the "right things?"

Except government rarely does anything right except for those tasks that were explicitly outlined in the Constitution as the Founding Father intended. I could cite many examples (such as where would you rather put $10,000 in retirement money - in Social Security or in your own 401k plan?) but the plight of black America illustrates this failure beyond comparison.

In 1965, the US government was going to wipe out poverty by the "Great Society" programs, in which to date over 3.5 trillion dollars has been spent. These federal programs were designed to "help families and children" or "buy votes" depending on your political viewpoint.

At the beginning of the 1960's, the black out of wedlock birth rate was 22%. In the late 1975 it reached 49% and shot up to 65% in 1989. In some of the largest urban centers of the nation the rate of illegitimacy among blacks today exceeds 80% and averages 69% nationwide. As late as the 1970's there was still a social stigma attached to a woman who was pregnant outside marriage. Now, government programs have substituted for the father and for black moral leadership. The black family and culture has collapsed (and white families are not that far behind).

Illegitimacy leads directly to poverty, crime and social problems. Out of wedlock children are four times more likely to be poor. They are much more likely to live in high crime areas with no hope of escape. In turn, they are forced to attend dangerous and poor-performing government schools, which directly leads to another generation of poverty.

Traditional black areas of Harlem, Englewood and West Philadelphia in the 1950s were safe working class neighborhoods (even though "poor" by material measures). Women were unafraid to walk at night and children played unmolested in the streets and parks. Today, these are some of the worst crime plagued areas of our nation. Work that was once dignified is now shunned. Welfare does not require recipients to do anything in exchange for their benefits. Many rules actually discourage work or provide benefits that reduce the incentive to find work.

The black abortion rate today is nearly 40%. Pregnancies among black women are twice as likely to end in abortion as pregnancies among white and Hispanic women.

The "Great Society" programs all had good intentions. Unfortunately, their real world results are that they have replaced the traditional/Christian models of family/work with that of what a government bureaucrat thinks it should be.

I could make an excellent argument that if the US government had hired former grand wizards of the KKK to run the "Great Society" programs, and if they had worked every day from 1965 to today without rest, they could have hardly have done better in destroying black America than the "Works of God" that the government has done or is trying to do.

I have visited many countries in which the government "guarantees" that everyone has a job, a place to live, education, health care and cradle to grave "government help" for all children and families. It all sounds great except that the people in these countries are/were miserable. They wanted to escape but were forced by their governments, at the end of a gun, to stay. The "worker's paradises" of socialist and communist counties are chilling reminders of letting governments do "God's Work."

The Bible clearly states that we are to help those in need. The question is "Who should help those in need?" I firmly believe that scripture and the historical evidence strongly support that individuals, private organizations and churches should be the ones doing the heavy lifting. Government help should be the last resort. "Charity," enforced by the government, is not charity, it is extortion. "Charity," delivered by the government, is not charity, it is a bribe which corrupts both the giver and the receiver.

Very Sincerely,

2banana

10 posted on 08/19/2009 9:38:59 AM PDT by 2banana (My common ground with terrorists - they want to die for islam and we want to kill them)
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To: Cecilia Trent

It’ll be the closest he’s been to a church since taking office.


11 posted on 08/19/2009 9:39:12 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: Cecilia Trent

Obama to America: “Don’t get old.”


12 posted on 08/19/2009 9:39:40 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: Cecilia Trent

The muzzie usurper has a much closer relationship with satan than with GOD.


13 posted on 08/19/2009 9:40:34 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (FUBO - No socialist Bureaucrat on a Death Panel is going to decide whether I live or die!)
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To: Cecilia Trent

Too easy.

Pope Barak and the Gospel according to Fabian.


14 posted on 08/19/2009 9:40:40 AM PDT by OpusatFR (Those embryos are little humans in progress. Using them for profit is slavery.)
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To: Colonel_Flagg
It’ll be the closest he’s been to a church since taking office.

I believe the last time he went to Church was Easter. And he's going to talk about morality and GOD? I don't think so.

Americans distrust politicians more that anything except hypocrites who preach about God and morality.

15 posted on 08/19/2009 9:41:48 AM PDT by frogjerk (Obama Administration: Security thru Absurdity)
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To: joejm65
I'm still trying to understand what a ‘liberal religious leader’ is...

Rev. Wright?

16 posted on 08/19/2009 9:41:53 AM PDT by Allegra ( Socks)
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To: Cecilia Trent
"Does your Christ following heart agree with Emanuel?

This made me laugh out loud. It's pretty obvious "The One" is not a Christian by any definition whatsoever.

17 posted on 08/19/2009 9:43:14 AM PDT by pigsmith
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To: Cecilia Trent

not sure what he expects to accomplish from this. just more of the one thing he does well,campaign. Logic,common sense,intelligence and probing questions need not appear.


18 posted on 08/19/2009 9:43:25 AM PDT by wiggen (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WayzmX0WQvg)
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To: Cecilia Trent

How would we know if God is going along with Obama’s plan?


19 posted on 08/19/2009 9:45:12 AM PDT by stuartcr (When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.)
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To: Cecilia Trent

Hm. This article is a literary train wreck. The author veers from topic to topic, and never seems to arrive at a discernable point .... does she even have an actual point?


20 posted on 08/19/2009 9:45:55 AM PDT by r9etb
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To: Cecilia Trent

Is that what he’s calling Wal-Mart now?

Wal-Mart’s good-guy stance on healthcare reform
http://www.latimes.com/news/columnists/la-fi-lazarus5-2009jul05,0,4358896.column


21 posted on 08/19/2009 9:46:14 AM PDT by anonsquared
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To: Cecilia Trent

His “Christ-following heart”? Is there any evidence he follows Christ? Last I heard he was “still looking for a church.” Did he ever find one?


22 posted on 08/19/2009 9:47:18 AM PDT by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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To: stuartcr
How would we know if God is going along with Obama’s plan?

He could reveal the one true birth certificate (written on golden plates before being returned to Heaven by a star in the East) for a start.

23 posted on 08/19/2009 9:48:33 AM PDT by thulldud (It HAS happened here!)
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To: Cecilia Trent

It is not to fool us ... it is to fool the middle independents that voted for him. MO

Many Americans are essentially cultural Christians and not in faith. These may not pay all that much attention to the ‘news’ on going; and it sets them up for deception.


24 posted on 08/19/2009 9:50:12 AM PDT by geologist (The only answer to the troubles of this life is Jesus. A decision we all must make.)
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To: Allegra

‘Rev. Wright?’

I suppose. He’s not the guy who’s going to rally the masses on Deathcare, though.


25 posted on 08/19/2009 9:51:16 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: Cecilia Trent

It’s brilliant. Christ healed the sick. The samaritan paid for the wounded man’s care, even though he was a samaritan and considered a man of lower breed.

Churches are SO MUCH MORE about how you feel about things, and not about what scripture has to say about things.

Churches are a natural fit with a community organizer like Obama, and frankly was too arrogant to see it before.

You think a modern pastor in a protestant congregation is going to take a principled stand against UNIVERSAL COMPASSION?

It’s why this thing is not dead, was never dead, and will never be dead. Every demoagogue eventually rolls around to something like, “Follow me with your hearts.”

Churches can SO MUCH MORE EFFECTIVELY obscure the facts about this program and NOT lose their credibility.

It may be too late to go this route. Had he done it from the outset, it would have been law this August. Of this I have no doubt.


26 posted on 08/19/2009 9:56:06 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Cecilia Trent
For the record, I am my brother's keeper. However, I am not your brother's keeper
27 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:42 AM PDT by Crawdad (If you're in a fair fight, your tactics suck.)
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To: thulldud

That would certainly get the press moving.


28 posted on 08/19/2009 9:59:56 AM PDT by stuartcr (When silence speaks, it speaks only to those that have already decided what they want to hear.)
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To: 2banana

Excellent post.


29 posted on 08/19/2009 10:09:12 AM PDT by tnlibertarian
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To: joejm65
"I'm still trying to understand what a ‘liberal religious leader’ is..."

Al Gore, Wright, Farrakhan, ... Those type folks as well as all who worship at the alter of anti-Americanism and/or practices human sacrifice by aiding and abetting the slaughter of four thousand unborn children a day.

Regards

30 posted on 08/19/2009 10:24:29 AM PDT by Rashputin (blif)
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To: I Hate Obama
Until he gets struck by lightning!

He'll just carry around a one iron.

Garde la Foi, mes amis! Nous nous sommes les sauveurs de la République! Maintenant et Toujours!
(Keep the Faith, my friends! We are the saviors of the Republic! Now and Forever!)

LonePalm, le Républicain du verre cassé (The Broken Glass Republican)

31 posted on 08/19/2009 10:28:38 AM PDT by LonePalm (Commander and Chef)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

so that’s the reason they have all those chickens in the back yard of WH- for Santeria sacrifices!


32 posted on 08/19/2009 10:29:31 AM PDT by MissDairyGoodnessVT ("Economy is the method by which we prepare today to afford the improvements of tomorrow"C.Coolidge)
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To: Rashputin

‘Al Gore, Wright, Farrakhan, ... Those type folks as well as all who worship at the alter of anti-Americanism and/or practices human sacrifice by aiding and abetting the slaughter of four thousand unborn children a day.’

I see. In other words, religious leaders who have nothing to do with God. Got it, thanks. :-/


33 posted on 08/19/2009 10:32:54 AM PDT by joejm65
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To: joejm65

WRONG, THE H1N1 VIRUS IS THE KEY TO HEALTH CARE PASSING THIS FALL, WATCH FOR A MAJOR OUTBREAK IN THIS COUNTRY WITH VERY DEADLY RESULTS, SOMETHING THAT HAS NOT HAPPENED IN ANY OTHER COUNTRY BY THE WAY ...


34 posted on 08/19/2009 10:34:28 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Cecilia Trent

Government IS god to the liberals. What god are they going to use for snake oil sales?


35 posted on 08/19/2009 10:42:02 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: wiggen

What does he hope to accomplish?

Create division, confusion, distractions.


36 posted on 08/19/2009 10:44:12 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: r9etb

Bumper car writing...


37 posted on 08/19/2009 10:45:18 AM PDT by listenhillary (We became community organizers and Obama and the Statists get p*ssed off at us?)
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To: listenhillary

Whoa Nellie! The libs no longer believe in separation of church and state? Oh, I guess that applies only to conservatives.

Where’s the ACLU?


38 posted on 08/19/2009 10:59:09 AM PDT by Catsrus
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To: Cecilia Trent

Allah-god/demon?

I would imagine that the True G*d is NOT amused.

May the True G*d avenge Himself in His time.

Everyone else, don’t stand too close to 0bama.


39 posted on 08/19/2009 11:37:13 AM PDT by HighlyOpinionated (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act. George Orwell)
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To: Cecilia Trent

Communism is immoral. State control over productivity and personal behavior is coercive and in opposition to individual rights and liberty.


40 posted on 08/19/2009 11:56:30 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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To: joejm65
I'm still trying to understand what a ‘liberal religious leader’ is...

A wolf in sheep's clothing. An alpha wolf.

41 posted on 08/19/2009 11:58:12 AM PDT by TigersEye (0bama: "I can see Mecca from the WH portico." --- Google - Cloward-Piven Strategy)
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