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To: foutsc
Actually, it is not a logical fallacy, because I did not use that as a premise in my argument. It is supporting my contention that if they can do it to Muslims they can do it to you, and believe me, there are progressives that would love to teach us ignorant Christians a thing or two.

If I have a daughter who is 17 years old who flees my household and goes before a court and begs and pleads not to be returned to my home, then I've done something wrong in raising her. Believe me, I am not worried in the slightest about that scenario.

You keep painting this story as if it's virtually the SAME THING as courts ripping children out of decent homes. It simply isn't. True, there's a certain vague, very superficial similarity. But that's as far as it goes. There's also a certain similarity, a RELATIONSHIP even, between wolves and cocker spaniels. But there are some important differences, too.

For this reason, your arguments are about as valid as suggesting that since the Department of Conservation sets traps to control the wolf population, we should therefore fear government agents kicking our front doors in to seize and euthanize our cocker spaniels. It just doesn't follow.

Which brings me to my other point: Progressives use Tim McVeigh, David Koresh, and various other stories of parents killing their kids because satan told them to or they thought their kids were possessed by the devil. They take a few scattered data points and extrapolate out until we're all dangerous right wing nazis. You see no similarity?

I see a very faint similarity. I see a STRONGER similarity between that and your taking a government ruling that hasn't even been handed down yet in favor of preserving this child's life, and extrapolating it out to imply that US judges are all dangerous left wing nazis who are now going to seize our children from their loving homes... just because one judge will have HELPED a 17-year-old girl escape abuse and death at the hands of those who were supposed to love and protect her.

50 posted on 08/24/2009 3:07:39 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield

If I have a daughter who is 17 years old who flees my household and goes before a court and begs and pleads not to be returned to my home, then I’ve done something wrong in raising her. Believe me, I am not worried in the slightest about that scenario.

Sorry, the above paragraph should not have been italicized, as I wasn’t quoting, I was making a new statement.

Now I’m quoting it, but not italicizing it (are there cases in which two wrongs actually do make a right?)


51 posted on 08/24/2009 3:12:02 PM PDT by john in springfield (One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe such things.No ordinary man could be such a fool.)
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To: john in springfield
Now you've muddled two distinct issues. We agree, if there is child abuse she should be removed from the home. That is different and distinct from the whole muslim cutting off heads issue.

I fully support removing her, or any child, from the home based upon proven child abuse. That is not the focus of this hearing in Florida, so far. If it is an issue, the state of Ohio should open an investigation.

Child abuse is a legally-accepted reason for the state to intervene in the home. Religious belief or ethic or religious affiliation of the parents is not.

I'm glad you see a vague similarity, because it's there, and I admit it's vague. The arguments some people use here are the same ones progressives use against conservative Christians. My only point was to get people to see this. This is an emotional issue, but we can't let that prevent a cold examination of the facts.

We all have a responsibility to keep fellow conservatives honest, sometimes by challenging each others' thought processes.

You spar with friendly teammates before the big match with the real enemy. ;)

56 posted on 08/24/2009 3:58:04 PM PDT by foutsc (Nietzsche is Dead)
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