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27 Anti Gun Groups Beg Obama to Ban FN Herstal 5.7 Handguns
secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com ^ | 11/21/09 | Sasparilla

Posted on 11/21/2009 7:04:23 AM PST by Sasparilla

Proving the validity of the “Law of Unintended Consequences again,” Anti gun groups are unwittingly helping to boost the sales of the FN Herstal 5.7 pistol, its ammunition, and high capacity magazines, by asking Obama for an import ban on them.

The events of the last 13 months have shown what happens to gun, magazines, and ammunition sales when Americans have good reason to fear draconian changes in our gun laws.

Never failing to further their agendas by using tragedy, 27 anti gun groups have joined together to blame the gun, the ammunition, and the high capacity magazines for the Fort Hood killings. Never mind the mass of evidence that points to the fact that Hasan is a fanatic, Muslim lunatic, and a murdering, Jihadist. Never mind the fact that Hasan was, by all appearances, on a mission "for God" to kill.

Never mind that he probably would have loved to have done the killings with a more traditional Muslim Scimitar, lopping off heads in the Sharia way, or would have used any other weapon he could lay hands on...if he didn't have a FN handgun. Mass murders have been done in Asia with knives.

Never mind the fact that all of his victims were helpless, were unarmed, were in a “gun free zone”...

Never mind that, except for the M.Ps, the entrance guards, and during training, loaded guns are absolutely prohibited on the base.

Never mind that murder and assault are against the law.

Never mind that Hasan knew he would face the death penalty for his murders, if he survived, but preferred his “72 virgins.”

This group has written the following letter to President Obama, asking him to ban further importation of the FN Herstal 5.7, the pistol used by Major Hasan at Ft. Hood...

Here's the letter....

(Excerpt) Read more at secondamendmentfreedom.blogspot.com ...


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To: gwilhelm56

Davidson’s Gun Genie says that they have 50 in stock. A little pricey though.


21 posted on 11/21/2009 7:23:20 AM PST by fuente
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To: Sasparilla
I have a better idea - let's stop the gun ban on soldiers that made them defenseless against this Islamo-terrorist in the first place. Criminals and terrorists are cowards - they don't face those that are equipped to defend themselves. Instead, they pick on the defenseless because they know that they will be relatively safe. The more that gun bans occur, the more defenseless people will exist.

If we're going to ban something, how about banning the Islamic Fascists and other thugs (which would rightfully ban a large portion of the democrat party including the Kenyan in Chief) from entering the country in the first place.

22 posted on 11/21/2009 7:23:56 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: Perdogg

If it chambered .223, I’d want one!


23 posted on 11/21/2009 7:24:38 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: umgud
If I didn’t live in CA, I could get 33 round mags for my Glock.

Surely you have some outside of California can pick one up for you. Who gives a shi@ about California, the next communists nation.

24 posted on 11/21/2009 7:25:22 AM PST by Logical me (Oh, well!!!)
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To: meyer
The ammo is proprietary.
25 posted on 11/21/2009 7:29:22 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: Sasparilla
The round tested by the Brady group used level I body armor. This round would not penetrate level III. So Brady is lying. The round is small. Like a 223. Many at Ft. Hood were shot multiple times and survived. Not a great round for stopping someone. It is a large and clumsy gun. I will stick with a 40.
26 posted on 11/21/2009 7:29:54 AM PST by 70th Division (I love my country but fear my government!)
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To: Sasparilla

The 2nd amendment allows us to be armed in the same manner as the military.

Time to take off the gloves and resist every attempt at any regulation, limitation, registration, etc.!

The same firearms the military and the police because that’s who we will be fighting in the event of a tyrannical take over.


27 posted on 11/21/2009 7:30:49 AM PST by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: umgud

Get them anyway!


28 posted on 11/21/2009 7:32:25 AM PST by devistate one four (Back by popular demand: America love or leave it (GTFOOMC) TET68)
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To: GL of Sector 2814

Just yesterday I was looking at the FN website. That 5.7 is a mighty fine handgun. They claim it can defeat one inch of kevlar and the bullet tumbles upon entry causing more internal damage. Swat officers like to carry one as an extra sidearm. Ammo is quite expensive though and I think you can only get it from FN. Prices of the gun vary, depending on the model, from about $1,000. to $1,400.


29 posted on 11/21/2009 7:32:34 AM PST by skimask
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To: Sasparilla
Legislation not being requested...They want Obama to do it by Executive Order....

He can do it. Imported guns can be banned simply by decreeing that the 5.7 has "no legitimate sporting purposes".

30 posted on 11/21/2009 7:34:19 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (Public healthcare looks like it will work as well as public housing did.)
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To: Perdogg
The ammo is proprietary.

That's too bad. I'd want something that uses common ammo so that if TSHTF, I can confiscate the ammo from enemy casualties and use it.

31 posted on 11/21/2009 7:42:05 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: PapaBear3625
Imported guns can be banned simply by decreeing that the 5.7 has "no legitimate sporting purposes".

That would create quite the delemna in Obambi's mind, where capping US military personnel might be considered "sporting". I base this on his obvious disdain for the US military, as well as his reaction to the Ft. Hood event.

32 posted on 11/21/2009 7:44:13 AM PST by meyer (Government health care = national strike.)
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To: Sasparilla
Lenin's "useful idiots" are at it again.

Blame the inanimate object.

Never blame the Muslim terrorist !

Muslim terrorists use airplanes, cars, RDX ......

KSM cut Daniel Pearl's head off with a knife.

When do we ban airplanes, cars, RDX & knives ???


33 posted on 11/21/2009 7:45:10 AM PST by Uri’el-2012 (Psalm 119:174 I long for Your salvation, YHvH, Your law is my delight.)
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To: skimask
I was looking at the new "Combat Handguns" last night, and there is a feature of the FNH. List price is $1181 dollars.

For that kind of money, you can by a Kimber Pro Crimson Carry II .45 ACP.List price is $1122 dollars.Use the extra $59 dollars to buy ammo.

34 posted on 11/21/2009 7:47:41 AM PST by gigster
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To: fuente

Where? I only saw a sixty dollar standard


35 posted on 11/21/2009 7:51:02 AM PST by STD (FReep away)
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To: Sasparilla

Nevermind that the ammo that gives the 5.7 its reputation is not available to civilians and wasn’t used at Hood.


36 posted on 11/21/2009 7:53:56 AM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: meyer

The point of 5.7mm was to be used in both the handgun and the P90.


37 posted on 11/21/2009 7:55:31 AM PST by Perdogg (Sarah Palin-Jim DeMint 2012 - Liz Cheney for Sec of State - Duncan Hunter SecDef)
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To: STD

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MSRP: $1,237.50
Sale Ends: 11/30/09
Number Available: 50

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BRAND: FNM # OF MAGS: 3
MODEL: Five Seven USG SAFETY: Ambidextrous Manual Safety
TYPE: Semi-Automatic Pistol SIGHTS: Adjustable 3-Dot Sights
CALIBER: 5.7 BARREL LENGTH: 4.82”
FINISH: Black OVERALL LENGTH: 8.2”
ACTION: Single Action WEIGHT: 1.36 lbs
STOCK: Blk Polymer Frm, Equip Rail, Imprvd Trigr Guard PACKAGING: Black Plastic Case with Cable Lock
CAPACITY: 20+1 FEATURES: Improved Trigger Guard
CHOKES: FEATURES: Manufactured by FN Herstal Belguim
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38 posted on 11/21/2009 7:59:58 AM PST by fuente
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To: STD

Item (2 of 10)

Item # 3868929120
MSRP: $1,237.50
Sale Ends: 11/30/09
Number Available: 50

Return to Search Results
New Search
Promotion Item: Monthly E-FLYER

BRAND: FNM # OF MAGS: 3
MODEL: Five Seven USG SAFETY: Ambidextrous Manual Safety
TYPE: Semi-Automatic Pistol SIGHTS: Adjustable 3-Dot Sights
CALIBER: 5.7 BARREL LENGTH: 4.82”
FINISH: Black OVERALL LENGTH: 8.2”
ACTION: Single Action WEIGHT: 1.36 lbs
STOCK: Blk Polymer Frm, Equip Rail, Imprvd Trigr Guard PACKAGING: Black Plastic Case with Cable Lock
CAPACITY: 20+1 FEATURES: Improved Trigger Guard
CHOKES: FEATURES: Manufactured by FN Herstal Belguim
CHAMBER: BUTT PLATE:
MUZZLE: RECEIVER:
RESTRICTIONS:


39 posted on 11/21/2009 8:00:02 AM PST by fuente
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To: Little Ray
Once again, evil people with an evil agenda try to blame the weapon rather than the man.

The Koran has been spreading the real “evil” message for hundreds of years.

The Koran:

Sura (2:191-193) - "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution of Muslims is worse than slaughter of non-believers...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah."

Sura (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Sura (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Sura (5:33) - "The punishment of those who wage war against Allah and His messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have a grievous chastisement"

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

Sura (8:57) - "If thou comest on them in the war, deal with them so as to strike fear in those who are behind them, that haply they may remember."

Sura (9:14) - "Fight them, Allah will punish them by your hands and bring them to disgrace..."

Sura (9:29) - "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued."

Sura (9:30) - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (47:4) - "So when you meet in battle those who disbelieve, then smite the necks until when you have overcome them, then make them prisoners,"

Sura (61:4) - "Surely Allah loves those who fight in His way"

Sura (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them. Hell will be their home, a hapless journey's end

From the Hadith:

Muslim (1:33) - the Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people till they testify that there is no god but Allah, that Muhammad is the messenger of Allah

Bukhari (8:387) - Allah's Apostle said, “I have been ordered to fight the people till they say: 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah’”

Tabari 7:97 The morning after the murder of Ashraf, the Prophet declared, "Kill any Jew who falls under your power."

Ibn Ishaq: 327 - “Allah said, ‘A prophet must slaughter before collecting captives. A slaughtered enemy is driven from the land. Muhammad, you craved the desires of this world, its goods and the ransom captives would bring. But Allah desires killing them to manifest the religion.’”

Ibn Ishaq: 992 - "Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah."

The Koran and hadiths are replete with examples of Muhammad's barbaric behavior. Robert Spencer does a good job here explaining Islam -

Blogging the Qur’an Start at the bottom.

40 posted on 11/21/2009 8:07:37 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is an EVIL like no other, and must be ERADICATED. Barack OBORTION is a close second.)
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