Thanks for the ping...
Posted on 01/28/2010 6:17:03 PM PST by Tom Hawks
You're wrong. These wolves kill for fun, from boredom. Dead, and uneaten elk, deer, cattle, and sheep, that are being killed for fun by non-indigenous wolves are littering the Rockies from the Canadian border to New Mexico.
Wolves this size never lived in the lower 48. It like "reintroducing" African lions to the Rockies.
I'd like to see them all relocated to Seattle, Portland, San Francisco, Hollywood, etc., where the food supply is more deserving of their company.
>Leave the wild animals alone and quit forcing your domesticated dogs to run around in the wilderness pissing off wild animals.<
Mountain lions are attacking people in parts of the country. Hunting is a tradition in this country and the use of dogs is necessary when hunting predators.
Perhaps GS would prefer we cruel humans not “enslave” dogs at all, keeping them as pets?
“Those dogs were following orders from you and your friends, and those orders directly resulted in their deaths.”
Factually incorrect, as the hounds were sent to tree a cougar. The wolves attacked because they were not afraid of either the hounds or the men.
As Dr. J. Pederhans said, for most of man’s history he was a slow moving source of protein for predators.
There are numerous references in the older literature about the salutory influence of gunpowder on the predatory beasts of America.
With the merging of communism and environmentalism, “the right and duty of the citizen to be at all times armed” was infringed.
Beasts fattened themselves. True for beasts on four legs and two.
"For most of man’s history he was a slow moving source of protein for predators."Do you have a reference for that quote? It would sure be good for future debates on the subject of self defense.
That is a situation which is often artificially controlled as well, and has been 'managed' to create the 'need' for predators.
When 'Fifi' and 'Fu-fu start disapearing off of leashes and children go missing, maybe people will realize there is a reason the predators were hunted back away from humans.
I have no doubt denial will play a huge role in delaying this as long as possible, and also delay the inevitable remediation which will be necessary if humans are going to live outside the urban cesspools.
In the meantime, city folks don't give a diddley-damn whether a rancher loses his means of making a living. They all know meat comes from the store.
---or the cougar!. Think about that.
Very well said! And, the comment is well deserved.
Since their reintroduction into Montana, they have killed or maimed scores of domestic animals, not to mention hundred of livestock. As I tell my brother, who lives in Montana, shoot 'em and let 'em lay. Ranchers and sportsman alike, will thank him!
Very well said! And, the comment is well deserved.
Since their reintroduction into Montana, they have killed or maimed scores of domestic animals, not to mention hundred of livestock. As I tell my brother, who lives in Montana, shoot 'em and let 'em lay. Ranchers and sportsman alike, will thank him!
It’s good to see that a more reasonable wildlife biologist is on the way. Find some plans for a good incinerator with a spark arrestor on top of the flue—a very useful piece of equipment for a shop or shed.
So this is a thread about the feral German shepherds or giant coyotes (little humor and practicality there) that have been ripping the soft parts out of cattle. They won’t be around in packs of more than one again for long, so animal worshippers can go back to getting their thrills from Disney movies.
It would take an unprecedentedly big, socialist government to monitor activities on the ranches of the West, and we’re looking at a big default in the near future. Too many corporate-government-supported liberal city folks have wandered to us from around the coasts. Due to the next wave of foreclosures, more of them will be leaving us to return to where they belong. Those who fund lobbies from the cities will also be lacking revenues for their efforts against agriculture. They couldn’t stand our weather anyway. Good riddance.
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I’m guessing the cougar was the only reason the other two dogs got away. Either that or the pack was focused on the two dogs they had already killed (or were in the process of killing). I’m really surprised this isn’t a story of these men losing ALL of their dogs (or even their own lives)!
My theory regarding these wolves not being afraid of humans in the least is because the original ones to be released were partially domesticated (raised from pups by humans). I can’t explain HOW it happens, but information like that IS passed down from generation to generation among animals (it’s the same way other animals learn to be afraid of hunters). Perhaps we have always been seen as “weak” by the wolves, however I don’t think the environmentalists in charge of the reintroduction program have helped at all. If anything the ones who worked with the original wolves were probably thought of as “kind” or “trusting” (maybe “too trusting”), and “kindness” is definitely a weakness when it comes to wildlife. All JMHO and a theory... :)
I posted on the other thread what a tragedy this is, and I really feel for the men who lost their beloved dogs. I expect we’ll be hearing more cases like this and others as the population of the wolves swells to the breaking point...
Thanks SB. Coyotes do this as well, they’ll eat fido right off the chain.
That was a convoluted way to get around the fact that these wolves need to be shot and killed.
wrong again kemosabe..I never even implicated that these animals should not be exterminated. I did, however, say that you don’t blame a wild animal for being a wild animal....evil as such, does not exist in nature. You might not like what an animal does, but it’s just that your opinion and that of the animal differ.. Believe me, I’m not an animal hugger (except for my kitty) I hunt, fish, and eat meat but I am also realistic. Blame the nitwits that reintroduced the wolves into your area, but be careful in doing so because some species have gotten out of control because they have no natural predators. Animals have no rights whatsoever, but we, as humans, certainly have responsibilities toward animals. If you don’t like the wolves, ask those who reintroduced them, find out what their reasons were, and come to an intelligent, human consensus as to whether or not it was a wise decision. You run your mouth with name calling nonsense when you have no idea of what you are talking about. I make a simple statement....animals are never evil, they can be dangerous, out of place, hurt, sick, wounded, mean, protective, and whatever else, but they are never evil, they just do what a wild animal does in a particular circumstance.....if you don’t like it, shoot the animal and shut up
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Actually, you guys who live among the wolves should simply capture them and release them in the backyards of liberals responsible for this.
All states except Hawaii were once wolf habitat so why can’t they be re-introduced to say, Berkeley? Washington DC?
Stay in your city and leave “country” living to those of us who actually live there.You obviously have never seen what a pack of wolves does to a HEALTHY herd of deer, or your neighbors horses (in the barn),or your grandmothers poodle in her front yard.
“All states except Hawaii were once wolf habitat so why can’t they be re-introduced to say, Berkeley? Washington DC?”
Works for me.
Stay in your city and leave “country” living to those of us who actually live there.You obviously have never seen what a pack of wolves does to a HEALTHY herd of deer, or your neighbors horses (in the barn),or your grandmothers poodle in her front yard.
I was born and raised in northern Wisconsin, plenty of critters there. If grandma’s poodle got eaten by wolves, it is because liberal nincompoop tree huggers and animal “rights” activists decided to introduce animals into an area where they may not have been suitable......Never, however, blame the animal. If the animal becomes a nuisance, shoot it, grandma needs a good 20 gauge shotgun. The animal, however, was not evil....maybe hungry, maybe mean, maybe trying to “get along” with the poodle9 you know how fickle poodles are) and things went terribly wrong....just saying
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