Skip to comments.If you are Muslim you can opt out of the Obamacare health care reform laws with no penalties
Posted on 03/31/2010 1:04:44 PM PDT by Signalman
Isn't this nice. If you are of the Muslim religion, you don't have to give all the new Obamacare healthcare reform regulations and penalties another thought. Because the concept of being compelled to participate in such a healthcare program offends Islamic sensibilities, Muslims are specifically exempt.
As a matter of fact if you are Amish, American Indian or a Chistian Scientist you do not need to participate or pay the taxes associated with healthcare reform. That means not having to be forced to buy healthcare insurance, not paying the taxes or the penalties if you don't get it. Nice!
Here is what the regulations say:
EXEMPTIONS FROM INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY REQUIREMENTS.
In the case of an individual who is seeking an exemption certificate under section 1311(d)(4)(H) from any requirement or penalty imposed by section 5000A, the following information:
In the case of an individual seeking exemption based on the individuals status as a member of an exempt religious sect or division, as a member of a health care sharing ministry, as an Indian, or as an individual eligible for a hardship exemption, such information as the Secretary shall prescribe.
Senate Bill, H.R. 3590, pages 273-274
There are several reasons why an individual could claim exemption, being a member of a religion that does not believe in insurance is one of them. Islam is one of those religions. Muslims believe that health insurance is haraam, or forbidden; because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling. This belief excludes them from any of the requirements, mandates, or penalties set forth in the bill. More...
This means that if you are Christian and abortion is against your religion tough luck.
If you are Jewish tough luck as well.
We wonder why these certain groups get a free ride. We also wonder why the largest religious block in North and South America the Christians are discriminated against like this. Very odd indeed.
There is a lot of food for thought here and a lot of ways to object to this healthcare bill isn't there.
I wonder if all of these people add up to 45 million?
Well, I think one can become a Muslim by clicking their heels together three times while saying, “I wish I were a Muslim”.
Although I guess the hard part would be converting back to being a Christian after I send in the form as I’d have to cut my head off.
Why must they cling to religion?
Call me Abdul.
This is soooo not fair.
You don’t pay interest either.
Members of congress are also exempt...they keep their very expensive private program.
This is preventing my “pursuit of happiness”. I want to file a civil rights lawsuit.
And what happens if they get sick or have an accident?
Which you and I are paying for if I might add.
If this is correct, it CAN’T be constitutional.
Accident? You mean if they drive into a building and explode.
“because they liken the ambiguity and probability of insurance to gambling.”
I tend to agree.
This statement is true, “...as a member of a health care sharing ministry,...” you can be exempt.
This statement is unfounded:
“This means that if you are Christian and abortion is against your religion tough luck.”
There are three health care sharing ministry’s for Christians. In fact, I worry when people start losing their health care and switch, I hope these orgs are ready for it.
I have been posting this for a while.
When I do get people who know something about these orgs, I hear good things about the first one, Samaritan Ministry.
In fact, I worry about these ministries being overwhelmed when the avalanche of people being dumped comes.
The duct tape helps keep the chunks together when ones head explodes.
LOL!!! Spit right on my desk (did not yell a racial slur, tho, for crying out...)
Well, why not be multifaith ???
No need to disavow your current beliefs, in todays world anything seems to be acceptable. We can start collecting religious faiths like bubble gum baseball cards! /s
Hummm some of us are more equal than others
Seems that Medicaid is OK for Muslims, they don’t make any payments into it. It’s just “free.”
Obama has dhimmified all the infidels in one fell swoop. Surprise, surprise.
And 0bama wants us NOT to ‘question his christianity?’
Zer0bama is a Muzlem, through and through.
Next thing, he’ll tell us not to question his citizenship . . . oh, wait. That already happened.
Building them prayer rooms and foot-washing basins at taxpayer’s expense is also unconstitutional. But then again, Islam has been treated like a privileged subculture ever since 9/11 by our cowardly politicians.
Why does this feel like a Westernized Shariah dhimmitude approach? If you want your cheap healthcare, convert to Islam.
Just call me Geronimo from now on.
Catholics should at least have an option — after all, they put 0 in the WH and it is because of the Catholic Bart “Babykiller” Stupak’s deciding vote that hellcare became the law of the land.
This is no different from Sharia. Obamacare is the Jizya.
And people laughed when I said Obama is a muslim?
I don’t agree.. While being a Quaker or 7th Day Adventist did earn a deferment during the draft, those believers still had to pay their share of tax, even that tax which was spent on making or deterring war. These believers may be able to make a case that since their religion forbids taking part in health insurance, any penalty does not apply. So while their normal taxation goes to fund medicare, medicaid, and federal employees, they cannot be forced to pay a penalty above that taxation. In court. I think they win in a slam dunk.
If this is the case it would make sense for American Indians not to have to pay taxes, but then I’m certain it would only exclude registered Indians(not an easy thing to do). In the treaties made by the US with American Indians, one of the items they recieved was health care in exchange for their land. Even so they still got screwed.
I assume then, that when Muslims show up for health care at the doctor’s office or hospital, they will be asked to pay cash at the time of service?
Also wonder: if Muslims do not believe in insurance, presumably they do not already HAVE insurance even if available through their employers, etc. So HOW MANY of the 35 million or whatever uninsured are Muslims and/or are uninsured due to their religious beliefs (will fall under this exemption)?
Then what will be the net number of uninsured still left over due to refusal on religous grounds? If this whole health care reform deal only picks up a few million more insureds... well...you can finish the thought.
And if we fail to pay (I know it says above that if you don't believe in abortions, tough.) into the system because our conscience will not let us pay for abortions, how do we get medical care?
And if doctors DO NOT WANT TO KILL little growing babies inside their mom's womb, are they allowed to REFUSE?
Can those of Sa’ami descent also opt out??
Christians do not gamble either - so therefore I am exempt!
According to this study, 80% of the Arabs (a fair proxy for Muslims) in the Detroit area had health insurance of some type:
"My name is Mohammed. Mohammed Williams."
Still, some of them might. Possibly the Inari and the Skolt could pull it off by comparing their traditional culture which includes following migratory reindeer to that of the Arabs whose traditional culture includes following migratory goats.
A Sa'ami traditional shaman could probably get off the hook, but the Africanized people to the South have done so much to that tradition the federales would think it was just another Santa Claus schtick.
The ultimate test would be what happens in Europe. There, the last 500 Skolt speakers are subjected to intense medical scrutiny by the national health services of Russia, Finland and Sweden. They can't turn around to pull up their shorts they don't have a NHS type taking samples of their stool.
The results of these studies show up as great scientific works focusing mainly on liver function and dentistry.
There's a group in Florida who identify themselves as one of those Church of the First Born outfits, and they wear Amish style clothing. But they don't fool me ~ but they might trick IRS.
The duct tape helps keep the chunks together when ones head explodes.
Thanks VERY much for posting, Bobkk47!
Oh, and thanks yooling. I forgot to thank you for your post. My sentiments exactly!
Fixed it for you...
UNCONSTITUTIONAL! If Muslims can opt out, and Amish can opt out, then ANYONE should be able to opt out.
This absolutely knocks the wind out of me. This is NOT upholding separation of church and state. Is the census also considered “haram?”
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