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Gore’s and Kerry’s certification were the exact same as Obama. None of them include to constitionally eligible bit and all three have the though/through typo. This is not a legitimate argument.

For most of the states the certifications were the same in all the years.

But Hawaii is different. In 2000 it appears that the DNC did send a different certification to Hawaii, with a typed-in addition at the end of what was included on all the others, saying “and meet the constitutional requirements for the Office of the President and Vice President of the United States.”

The Hawaii Democratic Party also certified the Constitutional eligibility that year, so they were doubly covered on meeting Hawaii’s requirements that year.

In 2004 the DNC sent Hawaii the same certification as everywhere else - without the eligibility language. But that was fine because the HDP certified the eligibility. Those 2 elections - both of which the DNC was counseled by Joe Sandler - showed that it didn’t matter who certified eligibility, as long as somebody did.

Then we get to 2008. The DNC, supposedly in the name of being more cautious, tries a combo they’ve never done before: just the DNC certifying eligibility. That’s the only combo they hadn’t already tried while Sandler was their counsel. They knew every other combo had worked. So in the name of caution they try something new? Their stated reason makes no sense.

The bigger question - as I said in the post - is why the HDP didn’t certify eligibility in 2008. If everybody was being cautious (as somebody from the DNC allegedly claimed) they would have done like the 2000 situation, where BOTH the HDP and DNC certified eligibility. But instead, the HDP just this one time changed all their procedures so that they didn’t end up certifying Obama’s eligibility.

And this is no trifle, either, because the DNC claims that the national party relies on the state parties to do the vetting of the candidates. So if the state won’t certify the eligibility, that is supposed to be a big deal because that is supposed to be the basis for Pelosi signing her certification. IOW, if the state won’t certify it, then neither will Pelosi.

This one time alone, the HDP wouldn’t certify it.

Why is that?

That is not what Butter is pointing out. She is pointing out that Pelosi et al. produced a DIFFERENT certification form for Hawaii. One no other state had, and one that Hawaii had never before used. Pelosi certified HAWAII’s RESULTS. Hawaii REFUSED to do so.

The issue does not come from the DNC documents. It comes from Pelosi Certifying Obama was eligible FOR the State of Hawaii, because the state of Hawaii refused to certify that Obama was constitutionally - legally - eligible for POTUS!!