Posted on 10/25/2010 3:52:06 PM PDT by kathsua
With each passing day, I think more about moving out of California, the state of my birth, where I have lived my entire life, and where I had hoped to live my entire life. Even when we pass a good ballot initiative, it gets subverted by the legislature or judges. And this time, it looks like a good ballot initiative is going to be defeated while a bad one gets passed. Evan Halper reports in the Los Angeles Times about a poll conducted by the paper with USC.
Despite the struggling economy, most California voters oppose suspending the state's landmark global warming law, which would place strict new environmental regulations on business, a new Los Angeles Times/ USC poll shows.
Proposition 23, which would put the new emissions standards on hold, is trailing 48% to 32% among likely voters, according to the survey.
Without Prop 23, gasoline is probably going to go up to about $9 a gallon and a million jobs are going to be lost in a state that already has unemployment over 12%, not counting those who have given up or are underemployed. Prop 23 would suspend things like certain regulations on CO2 (which we naturally exhale), until employment falls below 5.5% for a year. Prop 23 is needed because of California's draconian nanny-state AB 32.
The poll found that 58% of likely voters support Proposition 25, which would replace the constitutional requirement that the state budget be approved by two-thirds of the Legislature with a simple majority vote requirement. Such a change would allow Democrats to pass a budget without any GOP votes under the current makeup of the Legislature.
Since Proposition 13 was passed, the tax-addicts have been looking for ways to subvert it, and this will help to give them their fix. California already has too many taxes and too high taxes, but things are going to get worse if Prop 25 passes.
It is important to note that Prop 13 is what kept Jerry Brown from doing even more damage as Governor, so if Prop 25 passes and Brown is elected Governor, it will be a double whammy.
Tobias Martinez of Riverside, a 45-year-old truck driver, is among the voters troubled by oil company involvement in [Prop 23]. "When you see that they are funding it, it begins to look like this is something just to benefit them," said Martinez, who is registered "decline to state." "They want to be able to produce more pollutants.... It doesn't make sense that stopping the improvement of air quality would create jobs."
It isn’t about air quality. It is about limiting things like CO2, which is something we all exhale naturally, in a vain attempt by a single state to fight "global warming". The regulations will restrict businesses in such a way that they will have to either spend more money on something other than providing a product or service, close down, or move out of state.
The proposal to change the legislative vote threshold needed to pass a budget, meanwhile, would dramatically alter the political dynamic in Sacramento. Proposition 25 is pitched by supporters as a means to end Sacramento's notorious budget gridlock. In their advertisements, supporters also have stressed that the measure would dock lawmakers' pay if a budget was not passed on time.
Voters are fools to fall for that meager carrot.
The measure would leave in place a two-thirds vote requirement for broad tax hikes.
Right. We’ll see how that actually works out.
Edgar Duran of Fontana is tired of the status quo. "Those guys can never agree on anything in Sacramento," said the 49-year-old, who is unemployed and registered "decline to state." "I am tired of watching them play games and waiting to see who makes the first move. Getting to two-thirds never happens."
It happens EVERY YEAR! We get a budget EVERY YEAR. We don't need to change the 2/3rds requirement. What we need to do is have two-year budgets and switch to a part-time legislature.
Recommendations:
Proposition 20 - VOTE YES Proposition 21 - VOTE NO Proposition 22 - VOTE YES Proposition 23 - VOTE YES Proposition 24 - VOTE NO Proposition 25 - VOTE NO Proposition 26 - VOTE YES Proposition 27 - VOTE NO
I moved to california with my Mom when I was 15. Now I’m 30 and me and my wife are planning to get ot of this state really soon. Elections? Who cares? It doesn’t matter who you elect in this state, same results.
Too stupid to realize that he's voting to eliminate his own job.
Bump.
California had so much going for it and then the liberals turned it into a disaster. Too bad and I assume we will all be paying for a bailout at some point.
“Too stupid to realize that he’s voting to eliminate his own job.”
My response to Tobias Martinez: Don’t you even THINK about moving to Texas, you moronic leftard!
These are the same people that voted by ~80% to ban guns in San Fran. Don’t expect them to even realize that they are voting against their own interests because they are just too stupid to realize that. Man, if I didn’t have a really good job here I’d be out of here in a New York minute.
As foolish as many Californians are, it ought to be easy to convince them to restrict their breathing to reduce their carbon footprint.
My family moved to Southern California in the winter of 1968. Lived 8 miles from the beach in Orange County - great place to be raised with all the new schools, etc.
Moved away in 1993 to the Southeast US, couldn’t wait to get out then! Eventhough I still have siblings living there, I would not consider to move. California is the new Detroit, and will be so on a grander scale.
If the dems retain control of the reins of power in Washington, you can bet a bailout of IL and CA is coming. Vote on Nov. 2 as if both your piggy bank and bank depend on it!
A surefire way to get increased expenditures approved in the budget while suggesting that taxes to support those increases may not also get approved, leading to a near guarantee of continually building deficits. California should be recognized as a "failed state".
We are seeing the future of California in the present of the USA. Both are run by the same folks! It appears that someone has a plan to use what remains of both after they have destroyed the USA and California — I was prepared to fight and die for my country once before; I guess I’ll just have to do it again! I don’t think the “organizers” who are directing this attack are prepared to deal with some physical opposition!
Starfisher
You might as well move. California’s electorate seems to be Stuck On Stupid, and their legisl00ture is an admittedly good argument against repealing the accursed 17th Amendment.
As for the budget referendum, passing the budget on simple majorities is fine with me, with only one caveat: any tax increase needs a 2/3 vote in each house. With the disincentive to increase taxes may come the incentive to actually put together a slimmed-down budget that actually will pass, as opposed to the choo-choo wreck budget deliberations become under the current rules.
Oh, and any NEW tax would need a 2/3 vote in each house under my caveat as well. :-)
If gas were to get to $9 a gallon, California freeways will be reopened as skateboard parks.
I moved to california with my Mom when I was 15. Now I’m 30 and me and my wife are planning to get ot of this state really soon. Elections? Who cares? It doesn’t matter who you elect in this state, same results.
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I don’t blame you for wanting to move out of CA...
I think conservative voters are getting sick and tired of liberal policies being implemented in CA...They vote against Dems...But, there are simply more Dems and liberal “independents”...At some point, conservative voters just give up...
I don’t think Prop 23 will pass...Oh, well...The scare tactic is working...A lady from American Lung Society is featured in a TV ad, saying that Prop 23 is bad for public health...A kid is shown in the ad...
Whatever...Let the voters of CA suffer the consequences...Higher electicity rates and higher prices for consumer goods...Then what are they going to do?
Yeah, it couldn’t be any more evident of how screwed up the mentality is here than to look at these elections. Jerry Brown has a double digit lead right now? I mean come on, seriously? Have people forgotten how this guy Governed before? Or do a majority actually like that style of Governorship? And yeah, I gave up. It’s useless here.
Yeah, it couldn’t be any more evident of how screwed up the mentality is here than to look at these elections. Jerry Brown has a double digit lead right now? I mean come on, seriously? Have people forgotten how this guy Governed before? Or do a majority actually like that style of Governorship? And yeah, I gave up. It’s useless here.
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Maybe some voters don’t remember Jerry Brown years...People who moved to CA from other states...
In 1994, Dems only got elected to offices of Lt. Governor and Controller...That’s when prop 187 passed...
16 years later...Dems could capture all state offices, except for the office of attorney general...
I think population of CA changed during 16 years...
Someone, who could vote for Obama, could easily vote for Jerry Brown...Remember how well Obama did in CA...
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