Two nations under Islamic duress -- Serbia and Israel

RenewAmerica.com ^ | December 28, 2010 | Victor Sharpe

[FormerLib]

Ouch! Good one.

[Nowhere Man]

Being of Serbian descent as well as it seems my family name came from the Kosovo (if I knew what the Serbian name was, I’ll dump the liberal media’s name for it) area, I’m proud that it is possible my ancestors could have fought alongside Prince Lazar and Milos Obilic. We need to stand up for Western Civ. It really pained me during the 1990’s that Clinton used our armed forces to back up the wrong dog in that fight. First off, we should not have been there in the first place but if we had to, we should have supported Serbia.

[eleni121]

Sakasshvili the Soros puppet is going to the Hague.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2010/12/28/38135421.html

His idol the criminal Khodorovsly whom he calls a “businessman” is going to prison.

http://www.civil.ge/eng/article.php?id=22998

[drew]

“Kosovo” is the acceptable name; “Kosova” is the bastardized, Albanian version.

[Tailgunner Joe]

The Georgians will always resist Russian occupation of their territories. No Georgian leader will ever back down to Russia's mad dog imperialism, Saakashvili or no Saakashvili. Russia didn't failed to overthrow Saakashvili because Pootypoot got cold feet once George W. Bush send a guided missile destroyer to the Black Sea. The Russians backed down from a real fight just like they backed down on Kosovo. Are you still waiting for the Russian tanks to roll in a liberate Kosovo? BWAHAHAHAHA!

[Tailgunner Joe]

Funny now all of a sudden you love the Hague. Are they going to give Saakashvili a trial like Milosevic’s?

[sheik yerbouty]

Both should, And I hope Serbia will regain that ability and drive bloodthirsty hordes of TROP out of their lands!

[montyspython]

Are you sure you’re American because what you just posted hardly qualifies as coherent English. Your brain must be plugged up with beer hops and bong resin because you’re starting to sound like John McCain’s left nut.

[Traianus]

AND JUST ABOUT THE TURKS...JUST LOOK HERE!

President al-Assad discusses with Deputy Chief of the Turkish General Staff the standing cooperation between the two countries' armies

Dec 28, 2010

Damascus, (SANA) – President Bashar al-Assad discussed on Tuesday with Deputy Chief of the Turkish General Staff Aslan Guner the standing cooperation between the Syrian and Turkish armies and the advanced steps achieved by this cooperation in various fields.

Talks dealt with expanding cooperation and coordination between the two friendly armies and the importance of strategic dialogue on the military level, stressing that this dialogue is one of the main components of the strategic relations between Syria and Turkey which constitute an example for relations among countries.

The two sides discussed join military training carried out by units from both armies and the possibility of expanding them to create common concepts in the face of various challenges.

The meeting was attended by Deputy Chief of General Staff of the Syrian Arab Army Gen. Munir Adanof and the Turkish Ambassador in Damascus.

Later, Deputy Commander General of the Army and Armed Forces, Minister of Defense Lt. Gen. Ali Habib and Chief of the General Staff Lt. Gen. Dawood Rajiha met Guner and discussed with him bilateral cooperation between the armies of the two countries and the prospects of developing them to in the service of their common interests.

H. Sabbagh/H. Said

[Traianus]

SERBIA IS A TARGET  FOR "Teheran Times" too...
NOT A SUPRISE AFTER ALL...


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Lebanon at stake: Turkey must reveal its cards
By Ramzy Baroud

The timing of the Turkish Prime Minister’s two-day visit to Lebanon could not be more judicious. Lebanon’s enemies have been banging the drums of war louder than ever before. All the malevolent plans hatched following the assassination of Lebanon’s former Prime Minister, Rafik Hariri are about to converge for one formidable goal: to destabilize and weaken Lebanon, disarm Hezbollah and allow Israel to return, uncontested, and wreck havoc on the tiny country, the way it remorselessly did in 1982.

The Turkish premier Recep Tayyip Erdogan seemed clear in his intentions during his Lebanon trip. But considering what is at stake, maybe he wasn’t clear enough.

Israel is full of “uncertainties” and it is “not definite what it will do,” he claimed, according to Turkey's state Anatolia news agency (AA). “Does (Israel) think it can enter Lebanon with the most modern aircraft and tanks to kill women and children, and destroy schools and hospitals, and then expect us to remain silent?” he asked. “We will not be silent and we will support justice by all means available to us.”

Erdogan’s words seem decisive, but they are as decisive as the strong messages he’s conveyed earlier, including in response to the Israeli war on Gaza (2008-09). Israel is yet to heed his any of his warnings.

Lebanon needs all its friends to prevent the possible civil strife that could follow any indictment by the Special Tribunal for Lebanon of Hezbollah members over the assassination of Hariri. The tribunal is a highly politicized venture, strongly backed by the U.S. and Israel. It is seen by many in the region, including Hezbollah itself, as a roundabout attempt to subdue the Lebanese resistance to Israel. Israel’s all-out war against Lebanon in 2006 killed and wounded thousands, and destroyed much of the country’s infrastructure. However, it failed to dismantle the resistance, but instead provided it with a moral and political boost. Incessant attempts at destabilizing the country since then have yielded meager returns, and never managed to create the political vacuum needed to rationalize an Israeli comeback.

The verdict of the tribunal might be Israel’s last card in this terrible game. Thus far, it has been a winning card. Accusing Syria and Syria-affiliated Lebanese figures of being behind the Hariri’s assassination has reaped its rewards. 14,000 Syrian soldiers were rushed outside the country only two months after the former Prime Minister’s death. Syria was labeled a foreign occupier of Lebanon by the same Western governments that supported and defended the Israeli war on Lebanon a year later. Once Syria was more or less removed from the Lebanese equation, accusations of Syrian responsibilities were dropped, and an apology by a Western-affiliated Lebanese leader was issued. Mission accomplished.

Then, the tribunal, along with Israel and its allies, moved on to another target: Hezbollah. While no group is really above suspicion, Hezbollah is still indisputably correct in accusing the tribunal of being politically motivated, with an ultimate aim at disarming the resistance. In fact, Israel has been eagerly anticipating the moment when the tribunal issues arrest warrants for Hezbollah members, and carefully calculating its response.

It’s unclear what the Israel response will entail. In 1982, Israel acted against various resistance groups of Lebanon, demolishing the country in the process, and installing a ‘democratically-elected’ puppet government. This further contributed to Lebanon’s ongoing misery and the state of absolute chaos and civil war. In 2000, when a homegrown Lebanese resistance managed to force the Israeli army out from the south, Lebanon finally began to enjoy some prospects of stability and sovereignty. Then, on February 14, 2005, the Hariri convey was blasted by the equivalent of 1000 kg of TNT, killing the former Prime Minister and many others. The prospect of stability vanished, and once again Lebanon fell into the abyss of dark possibilities.

In the rush to seize the moment, Israel attacked Lebanon in the summer of 2006. This proved a gross miscalculation. Israel assumed that Lebanon was ripe for the picking, but obviously it wasn’t. The resistance was steadfast, and Israel’s military move proved costly, if not utterly embarrassing. Hezbollah emerged stronger than ever.

Lebanon is relatively unified, since most parties are aware of the grim realities that await the country should Israel succeed in its plans. Even leaders within the Middle East are becoming somewhat sincere in their efforts to offset the potential crisis. But history has showed that both the Lebanese and Arab fronts are too fractious to withstand consistent and focused outside pressures.

Now Turkey has appeared in the picture. A new and solid card, it perhaps has the power to change the rules of this painfully predictable game. Israel, in response, is trying to undermine the risk. On November 26, Israeli daily Haaretz reported on Israel’s strategy to circumvent Turkey by warming up to and upgrading ties with various Balkan countries: Cyprus, Romania, Serbia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Croatia. It is just a matter of replacing financial and political losses in one place with gains in another, according to Israel’s straightforward calculations.

But Turkey can prove Israel’s estimate wrong. However, promises that Turkey will no longer stand idle as children and women are killed no longer suffice. Israel seems unmoved by words, perhaps betting on Turkey’s military and economic ties to the West. If Turkey is indeed serious, it must reveal some of its cards, and send a clear message to those fanning the flames: that 2010 is not 1982; that Lebanon will no longer be testing grounds for Israel’s and U.S. lethal weapons; that the times have changed for real. Lebanon and the Middle East are counting on Turkey, not as a wild card, but as a true and lasting friend.

Photo: Lebanese President Michel Suleiman (L) walks with Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan at the presidential palace in Baabda, near Beirut on November 24, 2010. (Reuters photo)

[Kolokotronis]

As you certainly know, Turkey is the big geopolitical reality in that neighborhood. The Greeks and the Serbs loath the Turks, but they do have to live in the same part of the world with them, with the Israelis too, so they talk and do business. Securing better ties with Israel, for Greece and Serbia, is just prudent, as it is for the Israelis. As for the article itself, well, my parish is full of Lebanese Orthodox Christians. Their pov about what is going on is rather different than that of Mr. Baroud, the editor of PalestineChronicle.com. I’d take what he is saying with at least a couple grains of salt.

[JadeEmperor]

>> Funny now all of a sudden you love the Hague. Are they
>> going to give Saakashvili a trial like Milosevic’s?

But you know there is always the ethnocentric double standard. Always was. Always will be. If “your people” are dragged off to Hague, its bad. If its the enemy of “your people” gets send there, its good and “international.

People protest the international “courts” when the chips fall against them and their kin. When its the other way around, all of a sudden its a good thing.

People will always be biased FOR those of their shared ethnic identity and against any perceived foe.

[eleni121]

Love the Hague??? Are you mad? It sucks—it’s an organ of the international left.

But when the people of Georgia have exhausted all means of redress against this puppet tyrarnt then they have no other recourse.

Read this TJ

http://vestnikkavkaza.net/interviews/politics/7116.html

[eleni121]

Here is another "warm moment" with the genocide denier caliph wannabe with another tyrant of the first order - mass murderer in Sudan -

Butcher Bashir with Butcher Erdogan

[Tailgunner Joe]

Very ironic that the same people who cried about Milosevic’s trial now want to see another Orthodox Christian leader overthrown and tried for war crimes in the hague. The must love the Kosovo Precedent so much that they wish to see it repeated over and over. Fools.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Which one of these men dropped cluster bombs on Georgian civilian centers and sent Chechen animals to ethnically cleanse Orthodox Christians in Georgia?

It was Putin, your hero. What has Erdogan done to compare with Putin's mass murder and genocide? Nothing.

[eleni121]

Your boy toy Sakaashvili is not going to last for long. The Georgian people deserve better than this self aggrandizing goonie and are fed up with his antics- mismanagement and his highly problematic bribing of the opposition which are not working well.

He may be up there with Karzai as most corrupt politician serving at the behest of the state dept. and fake NGOs.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,615160,00.html

[eleni121]

Bombing? Saahskavili started it. End of story-—wikileaks has already proven that little myth that you believe in to be false

AS to the photo—you should be thankful that Putin knows how to control the Muslim marauders. Erdogan is a little dirty mouse running scared...

Go Putin.

[Tailgunner Joe]

Saakashvili's party gained seats in the most recent elections. Impotent Russia failed to overthrow him and now you think the EUnuchs are going to do it!? What a laugh.

No politician in the world is more corrupt than the murdering gangster Putin who has gotten rich robbing the Russian people blind and hiding the loot in Swiss bank accounts.

[Nowhere Man]

“Kosovo” is the acceptable name; “Kosova” is the bastardized, Albanian version.

It's sort of like how back in the 1930's and 1940's where Manchuria in China was called "Manchuko" by the Japanese.