Posted on 02/11/2011 11:31:02 PM PST by Slings and Arrows
FEDERAL and AMERICAN EAGLE
45 AUTO PRODUCT SAFETY WARNING
Immediate Action Required
Certain lots of recently manufactured 45 Auto ammunition may contain an incorrect propellant charge. Use of product from these lots may result in firearm damage and possible serious injury.
DO NOT USE PRODUCT FROM THE FOLLOWING LOTS:
If you have in your possession any 45 Auto with the following brand names and part numbers, check to see if your ammunition package contains the above lots:
* American Eagle®(AE45A, AE45N1, or AE45A250)
* Champion™ (WM5233), GoldMedal®(GM45B)
* Hi-Shok ®(45C, 45D)
* Federal® Personal Defense ®(C45C, C45D)
Example below:
THIS WARNING APPLIES ONLY TO THE LOTS LISTED ABOVE.If you possess ammunition from any of these lots, or have questions concerning this warning, please contact us at 1-800-831-0850 or 1-800-322-2342 and ask for Product Service. Federal will provide replacement product and will cover the cost of returning the affected product.
We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause.
It’d be a damned shame if your Glock 30, Springfield XDM .45, or God forbid, a 1911 (*horrors!*) went kaboom because of defective ammo. Make sure yours isn’t among the recalled lots!
Ping!
Ping.
Thanks.
Definitely good information!
My pleasure.
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Reason #1,393,048 to roll your own.
I have about 300 rounds of Federal Hydro-Shok’s. The part # is P45HS1. I can’t find any lot numbers on the boxes. I think that they are OK. Three boxes are at least 5 years old, the rest are new. I hope that they are OK because they were on backorder for 13 months.
Maybe I’ll just give the folks at Federal a ringy-dingy. I shoot 1911’s and I’m kind of funny about them.
Yep, good advice.
Ping - OB
I've only died a little.
I think I’d better check.
5.56mm
Hmmm.....
Good thing the damned stuff is so expensive I haven’t bought any in 2 years.
If you shot one round and the pistol is intact, you are probably good to go.
Truth be told, I cant imagine a 45 acp round blowing up a 1911
45 acp is a pretty low velocity round and the 1911 is mighty stout.
Has anyone ever seen a 1911 go kaboom EVER?
Glocks go kaboom. 1911’s dont.
Glock wallows out the feed ramp to aid in flawless feed of the ammo.
This leaves part of the case unsupported by the chamber and could result in case blow out with a hot round.
I have seen this happens a few times.
The case blows out at the rim, but it doesnt kaboom the pistol.
Thanks, and BUMP
/jasper
BTW, why does glock have to add to the confusion factor with .45 GAP?
Good idea - exploding guns make me a saaaad panda.
Miracle Max can help with that.
Good idea.
Always a pleasure.
@$$k ^&&^& #$Q$#$#s ....
Thanks for the info....
"It would take a miracle."
Ammo recall? Let me guess... Sudden acceleration problem? Hee hee.
This can also serve as a reminder to reloaders that even a big factory can make mistakes with propellant charges. It’s crucial to make sure everything is right every time with every round.
All I can say is I have seen Glocks kaboom.
I have never seen a 1911 kaboom
1911! 100 YEARS OF PERFECTION!
They could have the wrong powder in the cases, they could have substantially too much. The loads could vary from round to round. Get a double charge and watch out.
The first three rounds, no problemo. Then - kaboom! Fortunately, the gun retained the slide, but the grip body was cracked, the slide distorted and the magazine was spat out the gun along with the unexpended rounds. Wasn't hurt aside from a little numbness to my hand and I had to pick a couple of pieces of brass out of my face.
The lesson here is obvious - don't ever buy gun show reloads! Never did find the guy who sold 'em, BTW. He was basically MIA from then on. I'm guessing that I wasn't the only dissatisfied customer.
Yes and yes. Depending on the choice of powder, it is possible to double charge and in some powders, nearly triple charge the .45 ACP case.
You double charge a .45 ACP round, you’re gonna have a bad time. You triple charge a case, you’re gonna have a worse time. Even in a 1911.
For practice, yeah, I agree. Even though I haven't for years. But roll your own for a real encounter (that's not apocalyptic SHTF)? NEVER ... for so many reasons.
I'm so anal about it I do them all on a single stage press. Call me a reactionary but I just don't trust those fancy shmancy progressive jobs.
Man, that could ruin your whole day...
I dont reload. but the 45 acp seems pretty low risk.
I would be very cautious reloading something like .308
There is a lot of potential for kabooey with a hot cartridge like that.
Blew the damn mag out and locked the slide!
That is what I saw.
twice.
That is seriously ****ed up, and I know you speak the truth.
I have had this issue with aguila sub sonic .22
I learned my reloading chops on a RCBS Rockchuck many years ago. There’s a lot to recommend a good single-stage press. Slows you down, makes you think about what you’re doing.
Having said that, I surely do like the Hornady progressive using their Lok ‘n Load dies. I bought mine about 12 years ago. It does save time, and the caution learned from experience makes it a safe proposition. I still weigh every 20th powder drop, though, depending on what I’m running. And eyeball everything.
If it is a justified shooting, it isn’t going to make a hill of beans what you do it with.
And the” Geneva Convention” doesn’t cover ammo... or have any bearing on a justified self defense case.
Rifle chamber pressures are higher in normal situations (mid-50K psi), yes, but I must warn you as a guy who reloads and crunches numbers:
There’s a lot more room for error in a .45 ACP case than in a .308 case.
The root of the reason is that smokeless propellants were still in their infancy when the 1911 and the .45 ACP were developed. The cases were made with large capacities to enable the cartridge to meet design goals with the relatively slow-burning powders of the day.
Today, we have a huge number of smokeless powders in comparison to 1911, and not quite as huge a number relative to the 1950’s when the .308 was developed. In particular, we have a lot of development in pistol powders to get denser charges.
If you’re on a progressive press, an overcharge of a .308 will easily be seen. There’s going to be loose powder spilling everywhere in almost any load configuration I can think of in a .308. Unless you’re really, really not paying attention, you’ll know that you’ve double-charged a .308 round.
In a .45 ACP, as I said earlier, it is easy to double-charge them with some of today’s faster-burning powders. By this I mean that you could be pulling away on your progressive press and double the powder charge and not have any spill out of the case. The reloader can be happily pulling away, just stuffing pills down on top of a case, and not paying any attention to whether or not the case was double-charged. Nothing spilled out, so everything is OK right?
Wrong. Oh, so terribly, painfully wrong.
Nominal .45 ACP case pressures are in the high-teens of PSI - like17K to 21K PSI - at normal loads. 23K for “+P” loadings.
A double charge of powder would increase your pressures to 30k+ PSI.
There’s a reason why people have been trying to develop a replacement for the .45 ACP cartridge - eg, the .45 Super, .45 GAP, et al. The .45 Super is mostly about thicker brass at the web that increases the failure pressure for the case - nominal pressures for the .45 Super case are up around 28K psi. The .45 GAP takes the opposite approach - they reduce the size of the case, which reduces the over-charging issue.
This problem of “too much case capacity for modern powders” occurs in other older handgun cases too. It is even easier to do something really wrong in a .45 Colt case.
The need for small pistol primers is predicated on the higher pressures.
If you have, let’s say, 40K psi in the case, and you have a large primer, that’s that much more area against which the pressure can be forcing that primer to back out.
Since the length of the powder stack isn’t terribly long, the small primers will have sufficient brissiance to light off the powder, and yet be less prone to backing out.
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