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The Metaphor of the Dawn in The Odyssey
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Posted on 03/20/2011 8:50:21 PM PDT by bronxville

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- Whomever chose the name of this illegal operation should remember that Ulysses lost all his colleagues in the process though he did know his final goal. - Does NATO know what the final goal is in Libya?
1 posted on 03/20/2011 8:50:23 PM PDT by bronxville
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2 posted on 03/20/2011 8:57:07 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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3 posted on 03/20/2011 8:59:49 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville
- This guy (or his staff) have a fascination about Greek and/or Roman Mythology...
4 posted on 03/20/2011 9:05:06 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: bronxville
Did you see THE THIN RED LINE ?

Eos rhododactylos. Rosey fingered dawn. You're Greek, aren't you, Captain? Did you ever read Homer? We read Homer at the Point. In Greek . . . Nick Nolte as Lt. Col. Tall in The Thin Red Line

I took note of this because I had only recently apprised myself of the greek phrase. I was also led to ruminations on the lack of any similar rhapsodical descriptions of sunset. It occured to me that this is a more modern development as the later evening became a time for continued social activity.

There is a mythical representation of the sunset though, in the Garden of the Hesperides, beyond the Ocean in the west, where the eponymous nymphs guard an orchard of golden apples. Surely this is Eden!

5 posted on 03/20/2011 9:09:14 PM PDT by dr_lew
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“There is a mythical representation of the sunset though, in the Garden of the Hesperides, beyond the Ocean in the west, where the eponymous nymphs guard an orchard of golden apples. Surely this is Eden!”

I was hoping someone would comment w/ something to end my frustration. You’ve just done it and more. The Garden of the Hesperides aka Eden is exactly it. Thanks!

I didn’t see the movie but love the term “Rosey fingered dawn” - it was in both the Odyssey and the Iliad so he must have like it as well. Amazingly descriptive of an early dawn when we can sometimes see rosy red streaks in the sky, reminiscent of extended fingers.


6 posted on 03/20/2011 9:37:47 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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>>>Ulysses lost all his colleagues in the process

Didn’t Odysseus find out that he’d lose all of his crew (and ship) and that he himself MIGHT make it back if he was lucky?

He lied to his crew that Tiresias’ foretold little problems, that it was mostly clear sailing.

This was the modern day version of “TRUST ME”.

Oh, Wiley Odysseus!


7 posted on 03/20/2011 9:47:16 PM PDT by Hop A Long Cassidy
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To: bronxville
I didn’t see the movie but love the term “Rosey fingered dawn” - it was in both the Odyssey and the Iliad so he must have like it as well.

Graves comments that, "Eos's constant love affairs with young mortals are also allegories: dawn brings midnight lovers a renewal of erotic passion ..."

And we might add, not only midnight lovers. We recognize this phenomenon not so much as a renewal of passion, but a mere inconvenience. Oh, to be young again!

8 posted on 03/20/2011 10:05:04 PM PDT by dr_lew
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Who does pick these names?

Sounds more 1st Earth Battalion to me http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Earth_Battalion

...and of course Obama got approval from the international community, instead on Congress.


9 posted on 03/20/2011 10:09:05 PM PDT by harmonium
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Gayest Military Operation Name, ever.


10 posted on 03/20/2011 10:10:54 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: harmonium
Who does pick these names?

Boy, that's a good question. I remember eight years ago (Iraqi invasion) when the name of the operation had to be changed because the initials of the original name were OIL. I think the original name was Operation Iraqi Liberation or something similar.

11 posted on 03/20/2011 10:13:00 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Hop A Long Cassidy

lol I think we’ve just found a new name for the big “O” - Odysseus!

Palamedes went to Ithaca to enroll O into the Greek army. O decided to play like a crazy man so he put on torn clothes, started sowing the land with salt using a goat and ox as the plough but Palamedes put baby Telemachus in front of it and O had to stop ploughing thus revealing his sanity.

O was pissed, bided his time, and eventually got Palamedes killed for something he didn’t do. It took a while but O got his own back.

Wiley for sure - there are similarities.


12 posted on 03/20/2011 10:16:13 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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No, you wouldn’t...not really.

The “Do what thou wilt” Aleister Crowley was one very unhappy man and ended up in a boarding house crazy as a kook. He was a literal man.


13 posted on 03/20/2011 10:24:39 PM PDT by bronxville (Sarah will be the first American female president.)
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To: Walts Ice Pick
You misremember. It was Operation Infinite Justice, which was objected to on the basis that only God ( Allah ) could dispense such. I assumed the real objection was that it was a counterpoint to Islamic Jihad. It was changed to Operation Enduring Freedom, which I thought was a ploy to retain the a hint of the same meaning in the consecutive initial letters, EF vs. IJ .
14 posted on 03/20/2011 10:24:54 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: bronxville

No I wouldn’t what? Want to be young again? Well, I really agree, but isn’t yearning itself a quality of youth?


15 posted on 03/20/2011 10:28:51 PM PDT by dr_lew
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You misremember.

No, I remember it correctly. From Wikipedia:

"The 2003 invasion of Iraq, led by U.S. army General Tommy Franks, began under the codename "Operation Iraqi Liberation", later renamed "Operation Iraqi Freedom", the UK codename Operation Telic, and the Australian codename Operation Falconer."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_War

16 posted on 03/20/2011 10:34:41 PM PDT by Walts Ice Pick
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To: Walts Ice Pick

OK!


17 posted on 03/20/2011 10:39:37 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: bronxville
The metaphor of the "Dawn in the Odyssey" is Obama's dawn of radical change in America and other countries that need changing according to the agenda that roils around in his commie/fascist mind.

K'Daffy was not Muslim enough for Obama...and he wasn't threatening Israel every other day, hence the need for enforced change and a new red dawn for the desert country.

Obuma devised this liberal-speak, faggy name for the Libya war operation, there's no doubt about it in my mind.

Leni

18 posted on 03/20/2011 10:41:31 PM PDT by MinuteGal (Obama....you'll have to pry my incandescent lightbulbs from my cold, dead fingers!)
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... It was Operation Infinite Justice, which was objected to on the basis that only God ( Allah ) could dispense such.

Correct.

Operation Enduring Freedom

19 posted on 03/20/2011 10:47:12 PM PDT by dread78645 (Evolution. A doomed theory since 1859.)
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K'Daffy was not Muslim enough for Obama...and he wasn't threatening Israel every other day, hence the need for enforced change and a new red [Islamic] dawn for the desert country

OPERATION ODYSSEY DAWN

20 posted on 03/20/2011 11:30:53 PM PDT by henbane
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