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Indiana Sheriff wants random house searches
Mike Chirch ^

Posted on 05/16/2011 8:40:02 PM PDT by wrastu

Here it comes

Sheriff, Don Hartman Sr.

http://www.mikechurch.com/Today-s-Lead-Story/in-sheriff-if-we-need-to-conduct-random-house-to-house-searches-we-will.html


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To: RC one

Mitch, don’t bother running, I will campaign AGAINST you.


81 posted on 05/17/2011 3:02:25 AM PDT by Shady (God will be merceful to believers in the love of Christ.)
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To: maine-iac7; Moonman62; muawiyah
Nowhere did the court affirm the right of the police to conduct random searches. Just because the court said there was no right to make a specific response to an illegal activity doesn't make the activity suddenly legal.

By the logic being used, if a court case ruled that a cop was wrong in just shooting someone for speeding, we'd have a chorus of FReepers claiming the case said that people had the right to speed.

I have as many questions about the ISC case as anyone, but that doesn't mean we should be making things up or acting like idiots.

82 posted on 05/17/2011 3:11:13 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: SERE_DOC; Eyes Unclouded

I saw his post dripping with sarcasm


83 posted on 05/17/2011 3:17:36 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Madame Dufarge

Here is one for the knitting.


84 posted on 05/17/2011 3:27:13 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Gondring

If the line I read says “illegal” search, then what the court is saying, is that citizens have no right to resist with force, but if the search takes place illegally,and without a warrant,you could still sue the crap out of the city or county that the police worked for?


85 posted on 05/17/2011 3:35:47 AM PDT by Quickgun (As a former fetus, I'm opposed to abortion. Mamas don't let your cowboys grow up to be babies..)
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To: wrastu; aruanan; montag813; Stentor; HKMk23; EdReform; KTM rider; TheCause; ...
Do I understand this right? This "news" item...
  1. is actually a blog-style post (from The Smoking Argus Daily) that had been reposted to a radio personality's website.
  2. contains a claim of what someone said--without any audio or details on specific quotes or even specifically what was asked to yield the alleged response of the sheriff.
  3. contains an anonymous opinion of police chief who believes that the action is unconstitutional, but has so little understanding of the law after 30 years in law enforcement that he thinks the decision makes illegal searches legal.
?!?!?

Okay, so it looks like Allison Bricker is a great libertarian fighting a good fight for Ron Paul and against Big Government....no problem....but is this post the standard of evidence upon which we start talking about forceably removing someone who's in office by lawful means?

86 posted on 05/17/2011 3:37:45 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: Quickgun

IANAL, but yes.

It doesn’t say, “Open season on searching!”


87 posted on 05/17/2011 3:41:23 AM PDT by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: wrastu

Is this ruling being appealed? Kruschev said they would bring us down from within. We’re seeing it happen bit by bit.


88 posted on 05/17/2011 3:43:45 AM PDT by tutstar
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To: GladesGuru

Section 11. Search and seizure

Section 11. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable search or seizure, shall not be violated; and no warrant shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the person or thing to be seized.

http://www.law.indiana.edu/uslawdocs/inconst/art-1.html#sec-11

What part of this is unclear? So we need a law for the law?

What happens when they search your house? Once they are in the door it is over. Any thing they perceive as a threat can and will be confiscated whether it is under lock and key or not. Do you really think that they are not going to ransack your house ‘conducting a search?’ What about the lovely family dog who perceives them as a threat being shot dead due to an unlawful entry search and seizure activity?

This ruling needs to get overturned like...yesterday. This ruling truly had little to do with the case at hand that had probable cause, after the officers were called to home.


89 posted on 05/17/2011 3:55:20 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: wrastu

America’s is no longer the land of the free nor home of the brave - she is lost to the atheistic socialist ideals. It is disgusting to see people actually defend this lunatic ruling in Indiana and it is not surprising to see just how quickly people are willing to give up their rights in an effort to take rights from others. We are ruled by tyrants and, generally, Americans are too ignorant and narrow minded to even understand it. They’re too busy trying to oppress others today to realize how they will be oppressed tomorrow. Idiots.


90 posted on 05/17/2011 3:56:15 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: sargon
This notion of random searches without warrant is a formula for more dead cops and more dead citizens. As it should be.

Which is exactly why the court said you had no right to resist.

91 posted on 05/17/2011 3:58:42 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: EBH

Looks like it’s over. Getting my passport renewed, and leaving for a free country as quickly as possible.


92 posted on 05/17/2011 4:03:52 AM PDT by Lazamataz (The Democrat Party is Communist. The Republican Party is Socialist. The Tea Party is Capitalist.)
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To: Gondring
According to Newton County Sheriff, Don Hartman Sr., random house to house searches are now possible and could be helpful following the Barnes v. STATE of INDIANA Supreme Court ruling issued on May 12th, 2011. When asked three separate times due to the astounding callousness as it relates to trampling the inherent natural rights of Americans, he emphatically indicated that he would use random house to house checks, adding he felt people will welcome random searches if it means capturing a criminal.

No, but the Sheriff sure thinks it did...

93 posted on 05/17/2011 4:04:47 AM PDT by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: max americana

Indiana has the most secretive police like state structure. It definitely has its vile lot behind the otherwise quiet Hoosier. That state is extremely vulnerable to communism and feminism.

“Yep, your house and butt is mine, cuz I’m the Sheriff, I said so, and there is no turning back from that” is the general attitude.


94 posted on 05/17/2011 4:08:19 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Quickgun
That's my understanding, too.

Of course, this doesn't address the fact that an already illegal action, being taken under color of law, affords the offending police officer the widest possible latitude to “arrange” the particulars so as to provide themselves with a plausible defense against such a suit.

That means "lie" to save their own ass....

95 posted on 05/17/2011 4:09:49 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: Fitzy_888

They ritualisticaly lie in Indiana courts. Lawyers advice over there is to not cooperate, EVEN IN COURT.

CPS was used before to conduct searches even while people were not present in their own homes. CPS seemed to be a pass for about everything, but I guess they extended it to now anything goes.


96 posted on 05/17/2011 4:13:43 AM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: wrastu

Since you posted from this guy, who is Mike Church? I’ve never heard of him. His web site looks like he stole the whole thing from Limbaugh.


97 posted on 05/17/2011 4:23:58 AM PDT by caver (Obama: Home of the Whopper)
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To: muawiyah

Remember that slippery slope I mentioned yesterday... Here it is...


98 posted on 05/17/2011 4:24:50 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (explosive bolts, ten thousand volts at a million miles an hour)
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To: wrastu

Yah, who DIDN’T see this one coming?


99 posted on 05/17/2011 4:24:50 AM PDT by OCCASparky (Steely-eyed killer of the deep.)
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To: EBH

If the jack boots do this - I could care less if many of them get injured or worse. Screw em.

F the police.


100 posted on 05/17/2011 4:35:17 AM PDT by GlockThe Vote (F U B O ! ! !)
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