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93 percent of unborn babies contaminated with GMO toxins, study finds (Bt)
Natural News ^ | 5/25/2011

Posted on 05/25/2011 7:15:49 AM PDT by Scythian

A landmark new study out of Canada exposes yet another lie propagated by the biotechnology industry, this time blowing a hole in the false claim that a certain genetic pesticide used in the cultivation of genetically-modified (GM) crops does not end up in the human body upon consumption. Researchers from the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Sherbrooke Hospital Centre in Quebec, Can., have proven that Bt toxin, which is used in GM corn and other crops, definitively makes its way into the blood supply, contrary to what Big Bio claims -- and this toxin was found in the bloodstreams of 93 percent of pregnant women tested.

Published in the journal Reproductive Toxicology, the study explains that Bt toxin enters the body not only through direct consumption of GMOs, but also from consumption of meat, milk and eggs from animals whose feed contains GMOs. Among all women tested, 80 percent of the pregnant group tested positive for Bt toxin in their babies' umbilical cords, and 69 percent of non-pregnant women tested positive for Bt toxin.

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1 posted on 05/25/2011 7:15:54 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

What? Are you anti-business? :)


2 posted on 05/25/2011 7:18:36 AM PDT by dljordan ("Tyranny, like Hell, is not easily conquered.")
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To: dljordan

Interesting that this page touting Bt saftey (from the google cache from May 6th, 2001):

http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:iIDmhiEwEVwJ:www.bt.ucsd.edu/bt_safety.html+bt+effects+on+human+health&cd=2&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us&source=www.google.com

Just went offline ...

http://www.bt.ucsd.edu/bt_safety.html


3 posted on 05/25/2011 7:24:43 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Going back to basic questions: What is the proven effect of this substance on humans?


4 posted on 05/25/2011 7:24:51 AM PDT by Pecos (Constitutionalist. Liberty and Honor will not die on my watch.)
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To: Scythian

Calling it a toxin does not necessarily mean it is toxic to humans. There are hundreds of detectable trace chemicals in the human body that weren’t there in prehistoric time. The problem with these stories is the announcement of “detection” of this or that also ads the veiled implication that some kind of damage is being caused by the chemical’s presence. In most cases the chemical simply passes through unnoticed. That we can sample blood and detect it doesn’t change anything.

But who needs logic when a good emotional scare will drum up a new cause.


5 posted on 05/25/2011 7:25:50 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

It is not a chemical, nor a substance, it is bacteria, let’s start with real facts and go from there.


6 posted on 05/25/2011 7:28:28 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian

Questions:

1. Where does one procure Bt?
2. Is it naturally occurring?
3. Do any plants produce Bt?
4. If one were to grow their own food, would that eliminate all Bt in that food?
5. What are the names of the “researchers,” and are they unbiased in their research?


7 posted on 05/25/2011 7:31:32 AM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
As with most things, it is a trade-off.

Are these detected levels trace amounts - or significant exposure?

Are these detected levels of Bt toxin better or worse than the likely replacement of chemical pesticides - and at what exposure levels?

Now it is troubling that it seems the GM industry downplayed this - but if their studies showed that only 0.01% of the toxin is bio-available and thus high exposure levels are not a threat as 99.99% of it does pass through the digestive system unabsorbed and the levels they are detecting are consistent with this low absorption rate - then the science itself wasn't in error or misleading - it is running around screaming about this low level exposure that is in error and misleading.

But I wouldn't expect a rational treatment of any actual Science from the source in question.

Some people are fanatically religious about their diet - all purities and impurities- anecdote becomes superior to peer reviewed studies - and well established scientific principles take a back seat to pseduscientific babble.

8 posted on 05/25/2011 7:33:45 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Scythian

SO, is there a problem? How many thousands of chemicals make their way into the blood every day? It isn’t a problem unless it is at a toxic level. We breath carbon monoxide, consume arsenic, and cyanide compounds on a daily basis. Please understand, we live in a toxic world, “the dose makes the toxin.” Paracelsus

Don’t buy the anti-biotech rubbish—lawyers seeking money is what it is mostly about.


9 posted on 05/25/2011 7:37:04 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot ((Read "The Grey Book" for an alternative to corruption in DC))
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To: Scythian
Bt is both a substance AND a chemical - it is not a bacteria - it is a bacterial toxin.

The gene to produce this toxin is taken from the bacteria and introduced into Corn Cotton and other crops.

The toxin is also used DIRECTLY as a pesticide.

Thus the study that points exclusively to GM crops as the likely source of this Bt toxin doesn't seem to want to deal with the fact that this stuff is also sprayed directly onto non GM crops.

Smells like an agenda to me.

10 posted on 05/25/2011 7:37:24 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Scythian

Precisely. Folks, Bt is Bacillus Thuringiensis. This is one of the oldest and original natural pesticide bacterias. Those Freeper gardeners/farmers know this well. The bacillus is deadly to cabbage worms/other sucking worms on fleshy leaf vegetables and many fruiting vegetables. The “toxin” is toxic to the worms.

There is considerable evidence and information on what the “toxin” produced by the bacteria, actually is chemically. It is not a heavy metal, and it is not biologically active.

What has happened is that genetically modified corn has been modified to permit this bacteria to be taken up, such that nasty disgusting (crapping) corn worms and others are killed when they try to eat the corn.
If any one has info that the “toxin” has some biologic effect... let us know. This is not even as bad as Sevin.


11 posted on 05/25/2011 7:43:00 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: allmendream

Bacillus thuringiensis (or Bt) is a Gram-positive, soil-dwelling bacterium.


12 posted on 05/25/2011 7:57:13 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: John S Mosby
Some additional info and link to an EPA page on the Monsanto product... which is the actual protein that is what is called an “endotoxin” (an internal toxin) which in the case of corn is targeted and deadly to a corn beetle.
The corn MON869 genetically modified, has this in it's genes. So that's one way it is in a “brand” of corn.

As allmendream has pointed out, the endotoxin protein is also sold as a direct application spray for other crops.
But this stuff has been around, at least the bacillus itself, which you mix with a sticking agent (like cheap dish soap) and spray on your plants- worms eat it- then they die. Growing collards- we know all about it.

The funny thing is, this was and is one of the NON pesticides, natural killers, touted for 20 years or more by the “organic” health food people. The article is to target Monsanto,(read:tort lawyers) for the audacity to put the genes into corn for the corn to make its own “endotoxin” instead of having to spray it on. Now in the area of “sterile” seeds from Monsanto— that's a different subject and worthy of concern, if you can't save back seed stock for the next year and have to buy it each year from Monsanto.

We have lots of things in our environment in quantities that could be characterized as toxic— like, toxic water- drink too much and you'll die of edema if you can't pee enough.I do adhere to concern about the effect of free radicals on human bodies and aging, heart disease etc, though. That is proven rather well. So, all in context.

Here's the link to an exhaustive write up from EPA:
http://www.epa.gov/oppbppd1/biopesticides/ingredients/factsheets/factsheet_006484.htm

13 posted on 05/25/2011 8:03:14 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: ElkGroveDan

“Bt can be found almost everywhere in the world. Surveys have indicated that Bt is distributed in the soil sparsely but frequently worldwide. Bt has been found in all types of terrain, including beaches, desert, and tundra habitats.”

So how many unborn babies were contaminated with bt 20 years ago, oops, we don’t know because no one tested.

These kind of studies which may even be true are just to cause hysteria by people with an agenda.


14 posted on 05/25/2011 8:04:50 AM PDT by tiki
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To: allmendream

In reality, organic farmers are the ones who use in on non-GMO crops.


15 posted on 05/25/2011 8:07:01 AM PDT by tiki
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To: Scythian

Countdown,,,3,2,1...

“More fear-mongering lies from the anti-business, hippy, commie-pinko, running dogs! And anyway, toxins are healthy and good for you!”


16 posted on 05/25/2011 8:09:55 AM PDT by chessplayer
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Researchers from the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Sherbrooke Hospital Centre in Quebec, Can., have proven that Bt toxin, which is used in GM corn and other crops, definitively makes its way into the blood supply, contrary to what Big Bio claims -- and this toxin was found in the bloodstreams of 93 percent of pregnant women tested.

Why anyone eat anything other than Heirloom grown food is completely beyond me. GM corn is widely used for food bases and for food itself.

I recall reading that Monsanto and Dupont and others now have the entire third world "dependant" on growing Genetically Modified (GM) rice that DOES NOT produce viable seed stock. I also recall that all seed stock for rice in India and China must now be GM and must be purchased. I recall reading somewhere or another that these same companies have done the exact same thing with soybeans. There is a claim of "higher yields". But there is obviously, much higher costs. These "costs" may well include the extra costs to health of those who eat GM rice, soybeans and other food staples. If this is true, then in my opinion, it borders on criminal.

17 posted on 05/25/2011 8:11:59 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
In most cases the chemical simply passes through unnoticed. That we can sample blood and detect it doesn’t change anything.

That's true, but... Naturally occurring toxins have no "requirement" to be non-injurious. In fact, they were selected because they work to the degree that the pest does not become tolerant of them. This is why, for example, many butterflies home in on only one particular plant, because they "co-adapted" with the plant such that their larvae are tolerant to the toxins it produces.

As a class of chemicals, they're called "defensins." We already know that many naturally-occurring defensins are NASTY carcinogens. People consume as much as 5,000 to 10,000 times, by weight, of naturally occurring toxins as opposed to synthetic pesticides. Hence, IMO we should be more concerned in some respects about naturally occurring toxins than those synthetic toxins that were developed and tested to be as benign to humans as possible. Yet one notes that NOT ONE food agency even tests food for its relative naturally occurring toxicity. The reason is simple: it's bad for global industrial agriculture.

Most plants produce those toxins in response to pest attack. The closer the source of food to the consumer and the sooner it is consumed, the less defensin there will be in the food. That's bad news for industries that want to transport food between continents.

18 posted on 05/25/2011 8:12:16 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Scythian
Could someone please supply a summary of what effects Bt has on humans (including unborn humans) and at what dosage levels?

I know we are exposed to toxins every day, including toxins manufactured in our own bodies. So I don't have enough information to have even a preliminary opinion on Bt--- as compared to, say, DHMO.

Dihydrogen Monoxide (DHMO)is found in the brain tissue of over 87% of the people who have died of aggressive carcinomas in the past 10 years.

http://tinyurl.com/DHMO-facts

19 posted on 05/25/2011 8:14:33 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Always drink upstream from the herd.)
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To: pyx
I recall reading that Monsanto and Dupont and others now have the entire third world "dependant" on growing Genetically Modified (GM) rice that DOES NOT produce viable seed stock. [snip] If this is true, then in my opinion, it borders on criminal.

It's not criminal, it's a precaution. If you don't want the gene to be transmissible to the wild, then you must design the genome to be non-reproducing. Every one of those farmers has the option of growing something else. Yet apparently they consider the benefits of GM varieties to be worth the expense of purchasing seed.

The problem is of course what to do if the supplier fails, which constitutes a risk that ends up being socialized. Were this a properly functioning system, there would be farmers paid to grow heirloom seed merely as a precaution.

20 posted on 05/25/2011 8:17:53 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: tiki
Even if the Bt traces in human were attributable to GMO crops, the question remaining would be be what the Bt replaced. Mmmmm, I sure miss all that tasty 2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid residue.
21 posted on 05/25/2011 8:37:37 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: chessplayer
The real story here is that these companies have stated over and over again that these naturally occuring, though genetically altered bacteria, such as Bt, would never make it into the human body. The way Bt works is as follows:

The Bt toxin dissolve in the high pH insect gut and become active. The toxins then attack the gut cells of the insect, punching holes in the lining. The Bt spores spills out of the gut and germinate in the insect causing death within a couple days.

Now, granted, we are not insects, but we were told, even promised that this study would never make it into our bodies, but these studies (two within the last week from two different sources) have proven that they are indeed in making it into our gut, surving right on into the blood stream.

So, the question now becomes, what are the effects, the answer is we don't know yet.
22 posted on 05/25/2011 8:40:29 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: Scythian
this time blowing a hole in the false claim that a certain genetic pesticide used in the cultivation of genetically-modified (GM) crops does not end up in the human body upon consumption.

The first question to be asked should be: did the industry make a claim that Bt would not end up in the human body after consumption of GMO foods containing Bt?

2. Then it would be good to know what concern of the regulators caused that question to be asked in the first place?

3. And if the industry did incorrectly claim that Bt would not end up in bodies of those who consumed the food products, then where did their research go wrong, and does this call for further review of all the industry research presented in relation to GMO food crops?

This study comes from a hospital in Quebec, not from some fringe organic food advocate.

23 posted on 05/25/2011 8:41:45 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Scythian
This serves as an excellent example of the downside to the incredible advances we've made in analytical chemistry. Being able to detect ever smaller amounts of substances has also given us a dramatic increase in the amount of chemicalphobia in the public. These folks at Natural News are chemicalphobes of the highest order.

You can find just about any toxin you want in our urine or blood if you're able to measure for it in parts per trillion. The average American eats 1 1/2 grams of natural pesticides a day which is about 10,000 times more than the amount of artificial pesticides consumed. Pretty scary, eh? Many natural crops contain more pesticides than the ones treated synthetically. Broccoli, cabbage, celery and apples are examples of produce high in natural pesticides.

Celery purchased in a supermarket will contain, on average, about 800 parts per billion of the natural chemical psoralen. Psoralen is used by celery as a natural means of fending off predators and, in high doses, can damage DNA and tissue in humans. Organic celery, grown without the use of synthetic pesticides, has been shown to contain as much as 6,000 parts per billion of psoralen. Potatoes contain solanine which is a naturally occurring toxin used to protect against blight. In humans, solanine can cause paralysis and death. But....but.....it's natural.....

Unfortunately, the chemicalphobes at Natural News (and chemicalphobes in general) never learned a very basic tenet of toxicology, the dosage makes the poison.

This article is just more silly alarmism from people who understand little about chemistry. They act like it is far worse that people obtain trace amounts of Bt from their food rather than consume a bunch of fumonisins from corn not treated with Bt. This kind of idiocy never solves problems; it only causes them.

24 posted on 05/25/2011 8:49:20 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Carry_Okie
Every one of those farmers has the option of growing something else.

IMO, the options you mention sometimes just don't work. For example, a potential scenario;

I grow a crop of Heirloom vegetables across the road from your GM vegetables. Eventually, my Heirloom vegetables are cross pollinated by your GM vegetables. And eventually the seed from my Heirloom vegetables becomes impotent like your GM vegetables. I don't have options other than acquire higher costs to feed my family.

Likewise with rice and soybeans grown in India and China.

25 posted on 05/25/2011 8:52:08 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: pyx

You started out by claiming seed companies were “criminal” because the progeny of certain patented seeds were sterile and now you’re upset because those sterile seeds will cross pollinate?


26 posted on 05/25/2011 9:02:24 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mase
Published in the journal Reproductive Toxicology, the study explains that Bt toxin enters the body not only through direct consumption of GMOs, but also from consumption of meat, milk and eggs from animals whose feed contains GMOs.

The study was not performed by Natural News, but by the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Sherbrooke Hospital Centre in Quebec, Can., and then published in Reproductive Toxicology

Wiser heads will ignore any alarmism, or knee-jerk dismissiveness from both extremes that surround this sort of question.

More information and study is needed, but if the industry made claims that such substances in GMO foods would not end up in the bodies of humans, and that has been proven false, then that is a significant finding.

27 posted on 05/25/2011 9:02:31 AM PDT by Will88
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To: pyx
I grow a crop of Heirloom vegetables across the road from your GM vegetables. Eventually, my Heirloom vegetables are cross pollinated by your GM vegetables. And eventually the seed from my Heirloom vegetables becomes impotent like your GM vegetables. I don't have options other than acquire higher costs to feed my family.

This is merely an argument pointing out the need for spatial offsets. The supplier and users of the GMO would need to purchase said use by contract as part of the cost associated with deriving the benefit; else said benefit simply isn't worth the cost. That way, differences in terrain and local weather patterns, for example, could be taken into account for how far that pollen would travel and what the containment measures might be with regard to the degree of risk those particular genes may pose.

Look, I'm not new to this argument. I wrote about it in my first book dealing with markets in managing environmental risks. If you think having regulators decide these things justly and efficiently is the way to go, we have a fundamental disagreement because political influence over the latter is easily bought. My point is that the types of modifications would be considerably different if those producing and consuming the product had to interlalize the costs of managing the risks they pose.

28 posted on 05/25/2011 9:13:33 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (The RINOcrat Party is still in charge. There has never been a conservative American government.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
You started out by claiming seed companies were “criminal” because the progeny of certain patented seeds were sterile and now you’re upset because those sterile seeds will cross pollinate?

Let's try my original post, one more time.

I recall reading that Monsanto and Dupont and others now have the entire third world "dependant" on growing Genetically Modified (GM) rice that DOES NOT produce viable seed stock. I also recall that all seed stock for rice in India and China must now be GM and must be purchased. I recall reading somewhere or another that these same companies have done the exact same thing with soybeans. There is a claim of "higher yields". But there is obviously, much higher costs. These "costs" may well include the extra costs to health of those who eat GM rice, soybeans and other food staples. If this is true, then in my opinion, it borders on criminal.

-=] IF [=- there are higher costs which include health care that result from eating GM crops then I believe its reasonable to assume that the health costs would be a hidden cost. -=] IF [=- there are hidden health costs, then in my opinion, hiding those additional costs is dishonest. Being dishonest is, in my opinion, criminal.

I pointed out an example where options don't seem to work, unless one includes the option of higher costs for seed stock.

29 posted on 05/25/2011 9:17:32 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: pyx

I see.


30 posted on 05/25/2011 9:23:25 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Scythian

if it isn’t raised with chemical fertalizers and pestasides I won’t eat it!

Organic is nothing more than throwing shit at it and hoping it grows!


31 posted on 05/25/2011 9:26:02 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Carry_Okie
If you think having regulators decide these things justly and efficiently is the way to go, we have a fundamental disagreement because political influence over the latter is easily bought.

Let me attempt to be reasonably clear. The VERY LAST people in the world I would want to decide these sorts of things would be regulators.

However, as you yourself have stated, the argument about "spatial offsets" (your term) and the associated cost/benefits as well as who actually pays is, in my opinion, far from settled.

32 posted on 05/25/2011 9:28:26 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Scythian; ElkGroveDan; All
"It is not a chemical, nor a substance, it is bacteria, let’s start with real facts and go from there."

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The principal fault with your bravo sierra scare post is that you have no idea WTH you are babbling about!!!.

The bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis ("Bt") is no more a "toxin" than the mold, Pennicillium notatum is an "antibiotic".

Go take a basic seventh-grade science course before you start posting such alarmist nonsense!


33 posted on 05/25/2011 9:28:33 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: Will88
The study was not performed by Natural News, but by the Department of Obstetrics and Gynecology at the University of Sherbrooke Hospital Centre in Quebec, Can., and then published in Reproductive Toxicology

Yes, that is very clear to anyone who can read. Even so, Natural News is a nest of chemicalphobia, toxic terrorism, scientific illiteracy and needless alarmism.

Wiser heads will ignore any alarmism, or knee-jerk dismissiveness from both extremes that surround this sort of question.

Ahh, I see. Pointing out their alarmism equates to knee-jerk dismissiveness? You think the truth lies somewhere in the squishy middle? How squishy.

More information and study is needed

LOL! Yeah, like what measurement was used. Are they measuring for Bt in the blood in picograms? For some reason, Natural News chooses not to inform us of this important information. Like anyone who passed a class in toxicology will know, the dosage makes the poison. Or, as the old German axiom goes: All things are poison and nothing is without poison, only the dose permits something not to be poisonous.

Do you think Natural News neglected to provide this information because it would hurt their ability to generate as much alarmism as possible, or because they're a bunch of idiots?

but if the industry made claims that such substances in GMO foods would not end up in the bodies of humans, and that has been proven false, then that is a significant finding

Why would it be a significant finding? Did you ever stop to think that at the time they made the claim we didn't have the analytical capabilities to measure for the substance in the amounts found in the blood?

Good grief, you consume benzene in your drinking water in amounts measured in ppb. Benzene is extremely toxic. Yet, there it is in what we consider perfectly safe drinking water. The only reason we don't take it out is because filtering technology doesn't currently exist to do it. Even if it did, that wouldn't stop you from breathing it in from the air every day. This story is most likely a bunch of crap just like all the other chemicalphobia they subject their readers to. People are scared to death of things they don't understand. Does this include you?

Safety, the absence of risk, cannot be “proven” by science. The limit of detection always determines the extent of what we mean by safety, and we cannot prove the absence of something only its presence.

34 posted on 05/25/2011 9:34:05 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Scythian
Bt toxin is a protein produced by a bacterial gene.

The gene is removed from the bacteria and put into a crop like Corn or Cotton. The bacteria is not put there - and the crop doesn't produce bacteria - it produces the bacterial toxin.

35 posted on 05/25/2011 9:35:52 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: TXnMA
The bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis ("Bt") is no more a "toxin" than the mold, Pennicillium notatum is an "antibiotic".

Umm, I never called it a toxin? It's a bacteria, I've always known that.
36 posted on 05/25/2011 9:39:31 AM PDT by Scythian
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To: tiki
Yes indeed.

If you plant a crop that produces Bt toxin because of genetic engineering you are growing an evil GM crop that destroys the Earth and makes hippies sick.

If you plant a crop and spray the sh*t out of it with Bt toxin, you are an organic farmer, friend to the planet, and you make hippies happy.

And any Bt toxin that people are exposed to is thus, OBVIOUSLY from GM crops and not never ever from the mass spraying of this “natural” toxin on “organic” crops.

37 posted on 05/25/2011 9:43:23 AM PDT by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: Mase
Yet, there it (benzene) is in what we consider perfectly safe drinking water.

I have heard that in many cities tap water, benzene in traceable amounts is present.

I really don't know the answer to the question, Is benzene typically present in drinking water coming from a drilled well ? I ask because, many rural and farm properties around the nation (and in North America for that matter) use drinking water from drilled wells.

38 posted on 05/25/2011 9:43:54 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: Scythian

First it was dihydrogen monoxide and now this.


39 posted on 05/25/2011 9:47:38 AM PDT by N. Theknow (The MSM is to 0bama what the Broom-n-Scoop Detail is to a circus parade.)
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To: pyx
There is a claim of "higher yields". But there is obviously, much higher costs.

There is a claim of higher yields? Do you know anything about the history of genetically modified food? Have you ever heard of Norman Borlaug? Here are a few facts:

Norman Borlaug

A billion people, or more, are alive today because Borlaug didn't listen to the chemicalphobes and other assorted elitists and moved forward with his genetic modifications. Now, tell us all about your understanding of those "obviously, much higher costs."

40 posted on 05/25/2011 9:57:50 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: TXnMA

Quite clearly they are stating or understanding that “Bt” means Bacillus thuringiensis, a bacteria. Also that this bacteria produces an endotoxin, a protein which is naturally deadly to certain agricultural pests.

They also are making the point this is some agenda driven drivel, which it is. Reference my prior posts #11, and #13.

Scythian was making the point that industry had said the endotoxin would not end up in humans. But it (apparently, if they did the work right— and who knows) does.
So, what does a protein do when it hits PH2 acid in the stomach? It completely denatures, and breaks down, into amino acids... some of which are useful, some are not.

What the article doesn’t make clear is they say the “study” is claiming finding “protein” in the umbilical blood—not possible unless they mean amino acid . They may be stretching it a little- since a “protein” of this type would have to be “labeled” in some way to ID it to the product. Monsanto has some kind of proprietary chemical label on their product. The “proof” is the label— and just the label doesn’t mean the endotoxin is present as such, but maybe a labeled amino acid. Since the “label” is proprietary they’d have to know what it was to start with.

But even if it did show up... as many have pointed out here.. it is not present in any real level of any provable harm.

The discussion of GM crops (which are created sterile to prevent the genetic introduction to the environment) causing heirloom crops to “go sterile” is falsely premised— since sterile is sterile (unless it really isn’t which would be huge).

A grower, have to deal with this stuff all the time. And “organic” means you fertilize with manure, FR folks.

You are right to admonish folks to get up to speed. Notice these anti-monsanto people, and enviro whacks have no problem with the number of people killed by malaria since the elimination of DDT. Or the fact that alar didn’t do a damn thing to people, but made beautiful apples. There is an astounding lack of chemical knowledge, even 7th grade level.


41 posted on 05/25/2011 10:03:08 AM PDT by John S Mosby (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: Mase
Now, tell us all about your understanding of those "obviously, much higher costs."

My understanding of those obviously much higher costs would be that, additional health care costs are not trivial.

42 posted on 05/25/2011 10:09:18 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: pyx
Do you mean the additional healthcare costs incurred from living a long, fruitful life rather than starving to death as a child?

Are you a fan of Paul Ehrlich?

43 posted on 05/25/2011 10:14:33 AM PDT by Mase (Save me from the people who would save me from myself!)
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To: Scythian
The "Bt toxin" reported as analytically detected in your article has nothing (zero) to do with the "endotoxin factory" bacterium, Bacillus thuringiensis.

Genetically modified ("GM") plants have been modified to become their own "endotoxin factories". No microorganism (specifically, no B. thuringiensis) is involved in their self-production of the "Bt" endotoxin.

Read this article. And, specifically note this:

"The ["Bt toxin"] crystals are aggregates of a large protein (about 130-140 kDa) that is actually a protoxin - it must be activated before it has any effect. The crystal protein is highly insoluble in normal conditions, so it is entirely safe to humans, higher animals and most insects. However, it is solubilised in reducing conditions of high pH (above about pH 9.5) - the conditions commonly found in the mid-gut of lepidopteran larvae. For this reason, Bt is a highly specific insecticidal agent." (Emphasis added.)

FYI, pH 9.5 is a highly alkaline condition. In the human body, pH of over 7.45 is the dangerous imbalance called, "ALKALOSIS".

In order for the "Bt toxin" to be active in your body, you would have to be near death and in a coma due to extreme alkalosis.

The presence of "detectable trace Bt toxin" in the human body in survivable pH conditions -- is totally insignificant.

Only an ignorant or duplicitious eco-wacko pushing an idiotic agenda would claim otherwise.

44 posted on 05/25/2011 10:20:34 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: Mase
Do you mean the additional healthcare costs incurred from living a long, fruitful life rather than starving to death as a child?

< / don't waste your time responding to straw-men >

Are you a fan of Paul Ehrlich?

According to Wikipedia Paul Ehrlich was a German scientist in the fields of hematology, immunology, and chemotherapy, and Nobel laureate.

I don't know if I could be called a "fan", although he seems to be accomplished. I don't recall ever hearing the name Paul Ehrlich before you mentioned it and looking the name up in Wikipedia.

45 posted on 05/25/2011 10:26:20 AM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: ElkGroveDan; Neoliberalnot; allmendream
"Calling it a toxin does not necessarily mean it is toxic to humans."

Correct. (See my post #44.)

46 posted on 05/25/2011 10:28:58 AM PDT by TXnMA (There is no Constitutional right to NOT be offended.)
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To: Mase
Like anyone who passed a class in toxicology will know, the dosage makes the poison.

Lol, so that's your standard? Even the FDA admits they don't know the long term effects of all the drugs that have been approved, when taken at the approved dosages for long periods of time. But I guess you know the effects of long term doses of Bt and all other substances that humans might ingest.

And where this really ends up for many, maybe even most consumers, is that government is again dictating what people must accept, and so far has even refused labeling requirements for GMO foods. It's just more big government taking away people's choices, which seems to be almost epidemic with Obama and other big government types. It's amazing that anyone at FR defends this neverending, statist urge to take away people's choices.

And there are other areas where big government refuses to provide informative labels that consumers desire.

You are very unconvincing. And you try to sound convincing by throwing out irrelevant blather that has little to do with this specific issue.

Do you have evidence that there is now more sensitive testing equipment than when food industry spokesmen said that the Bt would not end up in the body of humans?

And you really love the absurdity that because one substance is ingested in water or food, that no one should be concerned about other, additional substances that could be ingested that way.

Lots of blather and little that's relevant from you.

It's about big government taking away choices and dictating what information people are allowed to have to base decisions upon.

47 posted on 05/25/2011 10:49:59 AM PDT by Will88
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To: Scythian
93 percent of unborn babies contaminated with GMO toxins, study finds (Bt)

Uhhhhhhh....what happens AFTER they're born? Does it go away?

48 posted on 05/25/2011 10:52:01 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Scythian
The only problem I have with Genetically Modified foods is that certain organizations (mostly Monsanto) have the patents on these products.

And the big problem is that the seeds contained in the produce is not propagatable (if that's even a word).

That means you can't grow your own vegetables from the seeds contained in these foods.

When you combine that with legislationt that increasingly disallows people from growing their own background gardens (why do you think the media makes such a big deal out of MoBama's garden), the result is way too much power in the hands of too few sources.

49 posted on 05/25/2011 10:57:40 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Scythian

At least in the article they call it “babies” here, instead of the usual sub-names used to distract.


50 posted on 05/25/2011 11:01:52 AM PDT by LowOiL ("Abomination" sure sounds like "ObamaNation" to me.)
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