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Why Are Conservatives Supporting the National Popular Vote?
Fightin Words ^ | June 24, 2011 | Walter Hudson

Posted on 06/24/2011 7:57:17 AM PDT by Walter Scott Hudson

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To: Walter Scott Hudson

Excuse me for being prepared to counter the many myths continually thrown out/up by opponents of the National Popular Vote.


101 posted on 06/25/2011 10:24:02 AM PDT by mvymvy
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To: mvymvy

Wow, talk about cherry-picking your stats.

1. The conversation is on MSMAs, not cities. A throw-away line like “suburbs often vote Republican” is not a stat.
2. It’s not 122 Million votes we’re talking about, it’s 50.1% of that.
3. We’re talking about a different kind of campaigning by socialists in the future, one which polarizes large urban (and suburban) Rust Belt areas and Left Coast whackos; Campaigning that is highly concentrated and aims for very large majorities.
4. Stats turned to view properly: One leftist state, California, had enough extra Dem votes to counter the effect of 8 small western conservative states. Another leftist state, New York, had enough extra Dem votes to cancel two large conservatives states, North Carolina and Georgia. The “red” state Texas’ extra conservative vote is easily canceled by “blue” large majorities in Illinois and New Jersey. How long does this tilt have to go on for you to understand how targeted campaigning can win the popular vote for you?


102 posted on 06/25/2011 11:17:05 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: mvymvy

“Read literally, the Compact Clause would require the States to obtain congressional approval before entering into any agreement among themselves, irrespective of form, subject, duration, or interest to the United States.”

This is not just ANY agreement — it is a Compact on the most important question of all, between States.

Appointing electors totally on who wins the overall, national popular vote is like not appointing electors at all — which of course is just what the NPV movement aims for.

It forces the States to appoint electors in a sham way. State Electors would very probabbly, then, not be representing their State, nor The People’s choice. You COULD award electors based on who won each congressional district (Maine?), if you are offended by the winner-take-all system, but this is nonetheless not in keeping with the concept of the State as the basic unit.


103 posted on 06/25/2011 11:30:07 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: Bob
Except for the minor point that the electors from the participating states would be determined by voters in other states. I'd hardly describe that as "entirely unaffected".

Yet that's precisely what it is. The participating states would be consenting to that process, and would retain the ability to remove that consent.

104 posted on 07/04/2011 4:14:37 AM PDT by Walter Scott Hudson (fightinwords.us)
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To: dalereed
>> When I went to school democracy was considered a swear word and the worst form of government that was ever thought of. <<

Did the school posters look like this?


105 posted on 07/15/2011 11:48:09 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy

Hell no!

Democracy is the worst form of goverment ever devised!

This country is not a democracy!


106 posted on 07/16/2011 12:58:17 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

They’re not. There are pretend tea party organizations that are subverting the movement.


107 posted on 07/16/2011 1:23:10 AM PDT by firebrand (It's a scandal that we have not yet impeached Obama. Can we do it now? Now?)
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To: DesertRhino
Another trigger might be a ruling that Obamacare is unconstitutional.

According to Miguel Estrada, the Obamabus is trying to delay the case getting to SCOTUS every way they know how, in order to run out the clock and keep it from the Court until after the November 2012 election.

108 posted on 07/16/2011 1:32:04 AM PDT by firebrand (It's a scandal that we have not yet impeached Obama. Can we do it now? Now?)
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To: Walter Scott Hudson

Anyone that supports it is closer to a communist than a conservative!


109 posted on 07/16/2011 1:39:38 AM PDT by dalereed
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