Posted on 07/24/2011 7:23:29 AM PDT by Libloather
Did you ever have any real feelings for any of the “lib chicks”? What would you have done if you had fallen in love with a liberal? Those cross-party romances can be really tough - I know, I was in one for a while.
So your argument is, the, that Breivik is a Leftist, because you believe him to be a Nazi? But he killed a camp full of Leftists, didn’t he?
Perhaps these “Left” and “Right” distinctions aren’t holding up very well in the 21st Century. For the second half of the 20th Century, both Nazism and Fascism were viewed as ideologies of the Right. Nowadays the argument is made that Nazism, on the basis of its name and its mass nature, was an ideology from the Left.
How do you classify Fascism? Is *any* mass movement now considered to be from the Left, because its is based on power from a united people? That would only leave Monarchism and Dictatorships on the Right - and perhaps Anarchists (who, interestingly, have usually been considered to be Far Left.)
Since Plato, forms of government had been classified by the nature of the group holding power. Marx added the element of control of the means of production. Do any of those categories of political philosophy enter into your thinking?
You may find this worth reading:
http://www.alternativeright.com/main/blogs/untimely-observations/the-political-ideas-of-anders-behring-breivik/
Correct, Nazism was purported to be from the right. It never was. Hitler worked closely with the communists early in his "career" and intended to take Germany using communist tactics. However, Hitler was in business for himself, and never intended to do the work and then hand over control to Moscow and the international communist party, standard procedure for communist expansion at the time.
Instead, Hitler broke with the commies when he had enough power and went National Socialist, which was effectively National Communist with an important exception: Hitler kept the industrialists on efficiently running Germany's industry, he didn't kill them like Lenin and Stalin did. Result: Hitler controlled all private industry without crashing it like Russia did.
Later Hitler took great pleasure in killing as many Russian lefties as he could, so lefties do kill other lefties, and always have.
Finally some thinkers noticed that communism and Nazism have only minor differences in how they confiscate and use private property, (the key to class warfare and socialism), discovering that communism and Nazism are both leftist ideologies.
How do you classify Fascism? Is *any* mass movement now considered to be from the Left, because its is based on power from a united people?
Fascism is also very closely related, again private property is confiscated because the needy masses have a "right" to it. We currently practice Fascism in the United States, certainly with General Motors, but also everyplace else we call "crony capitalism".
The other symptom is government-corporate partnership where the government destroys the corporation's competition.
It's not power from a united people, it's power from united looters, nothing more, and always from the left.
Can tyrannies come from the right? Certainly, history proves it, but SOCIALIST tyrannies can only come from the left.
Check my FReeper profile- I've been married to one for 38 Years come August 4th.
She's much too intelligent to continue believing all that leftwing claptrap, I've been telling myself for all that time. The problem is getting her to listen, as once she ID's something as conservative she dismisses it as propaganda rather than analyzing and refuting it. Liberalsim is truly a mental disorder, but hey, we don't love our sick any less for their illnesses!
http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/cccc4aaf6c95c210f30e6a706700e8bf.jpg ~ you’ll enjoy this one. It was taken before the killings started by someone in attendance. It’s not as Nordic as you’d get in Madison Wisconsin ~ as a careful examination will reveal. No doubt many people did not attend this particular KonKlave.
what exactly is your point about this photo? That there is a guy with black hair in the crowd? Look at them - they are kids, no older than college age. At least 65 of these young people are DEAD now. They look like Norwegians. Where are all the “dusky maids from Bangla Desh and South India” and 32 yr olds fornicators your were imagining? Calling it a “KonKlave” is hateful in itself -if anybody was a Klansman who wanted to kill “race traitors” it was Breivik.
Are you saying that they somehow deserved it? On what basis?
Give it a rest. You will never be able to find evidence to back up your characterization because it doesn’t exist. But it doesn’t matter, because your imagination doesn’t need facts for you to tell yourself a titillating story.
You don't say. Really? Any other original thoughts?
I never thought that reading a terrorist’s manifesto would be a more edifying experience than reading the comments of MSM’s and the Internet mobs’, about this tragedy.
Such an “original” post was done due to the title of this thread. IMHO the intent was to justify the mass murder of teens because they were not supportive of Israel. Last time I checked, voicing opposition isn’t cart blanche to be murdered.
The main topic of this one was Jews and how to hurt 'em.
That's no different than the KKK.
They had a threefer going ~ against blacks, Jews and Catholics. Presumably you knew that.
Now, the crowd, I counted them and there's only about 2/3 of the crowd there, and there are a good two dozen darker types in it.
So, where's the rest of the crowd? Did the organizers forget to tell them about the big meeting?
The average apparent age pretty much excludes describing these folks as "kids" or "chilluns". They are young and not so young "adults".
“Two dozen darker types”? Are you actually going to go there? I see one dark-skinned girl, and a boy wearing a Sihk headress (you DO know that Sihks are not Muslim, right?
“The main topic of this one was Jews and how to hurt ‘em.” “They had a threefer going ~ against blacks, Jews and Catholics. Presumably you knew that.” On what basis do you make that slander? Seriously - have you got an agenda for the group? Do you have a list of their activities? Or is that just more “information” gleaned like your “television” information that has no links and no proof either? From garbage you’ve read on other sites that are explaining why this criminal’s actions wer “understandable” and perhaps even “well-motivated but ineffective”?
Every camp has meetings that not all campers attend. Does this photo purports to be a shot of all the campers, from the entire camp? Why not just give us the link so that we can see how it was described there?
Yes, these are high-school aged and college-aged kids and young adults. So you are saying ....what? That somehow that makes this massacre more understandable, or even justified?
You sound like Breivik. You use his same rationales. a large proportion of these “kids” - yes, , like “college kids”, not adults yet - are DEAD. All you can talk about is their skin color and that they weren’t children. It’s disgusting.
Who do you imagine these people to be? They are Commies and Leftwingtard nutcases.
You know this. Why do you persist in claiming this meeting was anything but what it was.
You cannot remain oblivious to the fact that the KKK had a broader target than just blacks.
Read about DC Stephenson someday. He's the most recent big time KKK guy ~ everybody since him has had only very small organizations ~ mostly because ol'DC murdered a woman by biting her to death.
This group in Norway was down on Jews ~ it's got to take the criticism. Your excuses for them are beyond the point of toleration.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xY1lYzT2qCA Try that one. These young women were THE FIRST to be interviewed and broadcast. Ignore the note put on the video by the guy pushing it out on the net now. He’s a repackager who has his own agenda. Apparently he’s part of a group who are telling folks it was all FAKE (which it wasn’t).
Good heavens, man, you are justifying the slaughter of teenagers. You sound like Breivik! Do you think he did a good thing?
They are also entitled to attend large meetings in safety.
Someone should have provided them with the opportunity to hire off-duty or auxiliary cops who had permission to carry arms.
The first person killed was the auxiliary cop who was there with some friends providing minimal security.
The youngest person killed was 14. Go through the list ~ it's now available. Most are MUCH OLDER.
I told you it wasn't a bunch of chilluns!
Now, tell me, why are you coming away from a relatively mild discussion of what the party was about with the idea that it is now justified to kill kids? You been reading that manifesto or something?
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