Posted on 07/24/2011 9:34:49 PM PDT by Nachum
I think an erosion in his thoughts can be glimpsed here and there even in the earlier writing of the manifesto. The first glitch I noticed was an enthusiasm for Neitzsche. The second was the growing embrace of ultra Nationalism and his comparing himself to Sitting Bull. Not overly alarming in and of themselves. But it is more logical to progress from the philosophy of Neitssche and the massacre at Little Big Horn to killing 90 innocent people than it is get there from a defense of Western culture.
“The point being he was right about many things but for whatever reason he failed to grasp that the crimes he committed were the complete antithesis of the philosophy he claimed to believe.
One of the ideals Western culture rests on is the ideal of being a system of laws not of men. His crimes went against that 100%.”
Agree. 100%.
Haven’t gotten there yet, but that’s what I’m looking for - the turning point. Thank you.
At first blush, it would seem he believed the leftists were responsible for leaving Norway “defensless,” againt the muslims. Therefore, he struck at them rather than the muslims, themselves.
I think you are exactly right, He struck at those he considered responsible. The horrible thing is that he seemed to want to try to destroy the ideology by killing their children.
Actually, I think he just wanted to “punish” them more than anything else.
I don’t see any reason to believe he thought his plan was any grander than that....
I guess we will have to suffer through 1,500 pages of manifesto being parsed for the ‘good parts’ by all our enemies for the next few months.
OK, but do Norwegians call anyone in their home country coloured?
Exactly how popular are American websites across the big pond? Would he have picked up expression like MSM? Political correctness?
How many Norwegian exchange students attend Stanford, or any
US University? Rather than select examples of political correctness at US Universities, I would think a European might say, “Watch out America, what you’ve gotten is just the beginning. We’re further along the political correctness path than you” and picked examples in his native country.
Any Europeans out there? Does this look like something written by a native son to you?
Given that Breivik was well educated in a country which has a high standard of English education, and may have spent substantial time in the US, I’m not surprised by his standard of English.
...at least, not after I take into account the large sections Breivik plagiarized from native English speakers. Document.no has a post up comparing the 2083 Manifesto to the Unibomber’s Manifesto: http://www.document.no/2011/07/behring-breivik-kopierte-una-bomberen/ It looks like he did a search/replace of Leftist/Cultural Marxist and Left/multicultural.
Nachum said that some was copied from Fjordman, and I think we should expect to find that other sections were copied from Geller, Malkin, Limbaugh, Buchanan and others.
Can this guy even speak English let alone read and write it.
I think there’s some clever hacking going on
check out
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2753128/posts
Your “standard of English” is a clear indication that you’re not a native speaker. To the very knowledgeable, peculiar syntax can indicate one’s actual native language. The impulse to transliterate is a strong one.
Where is there any indication that this man may have spent substantial time in the United States? Please provide a source for this contention.
I enjoyed reading your analysis.
Today, I believe he is a madman, and we will never understand his logic and motivations. Even if we got a sociopath to question him and uncover the answers, we would not understand those answers.
If he slowly descended into madness, his early writing would not be connected to his current work.
He seems to have lost respect for all Human life. He identified a group as the root cause to current problems???? He then sets out to erase that group????
The medium to long term question is > how do innocents protect themselves? The Police needed 90 minutes to respond??
The entity [one of Breivik's "knight" organizations] should demand that the alleged Justiciar Knight in question surgically remove his penis and testicles and/or execute a fixed number of civilian children.
This was to prove loyalty to the cause.
He was a psychopath. We joke about people who think they are Napoleon, but they're only funny when they're safely locked in a secure ward somewhere. Breivik is like a somebody who thinks himself a combination of Napoleon and Hannibal Lecter.
“The medium to long term question is > how do innocents protect themselves? The Police needed 90 minutes to respond??”
In much of Europe that question is never even asked anymore. The assumption is that the power of protection is one of State sovereignity and not one left in the hands of the individual.
I am Christian so that thought leads to the ever present question of how do Christians confront evil? Not just the evil we can prepare to meet and defend against whether by personal means or societal or even military means. But evil such as what arose in this horror?
Sometimes we can’t. But even so we know that this evil and all evil was confronted and is confronted by the Cross. I know and believe fully that Christ is the Victor. That all the wounds inflicted. All the battles that are seemingly lost. All the evil given reign by dark souled men. All of that well be swept away before the coming storm of Christ’s triumphant return.
I know too that evil can never wipe out what and who is good in this world. That for every very loud, very public act of monstrosity there are small acts of love, courage, faith, hope, goodness, mercy, caring, trust, compassion and beauty. These acts public and private would not be possible without the Grace of Christ, the Breath of the Holy Spirit and the Great Love and Mercy of God present amongst us.
Evil is a reality that reflects a falsehood. Christians believe in a reality that reflects and declares the Truth. The Cross of Christ is not a defeat. It is a victory.
I’m on page 704. Tough slog as his writing style gets a bit redundant.
Content is pretty spot on so far. I haven’t checked any of his source links though. Interesting that he provided them in the first place.
This wasn't 8 and 9 year olds. These were young adults being groomed to take positions in the Labour Party's Communist workings.
Viewed that way, this was more a massacre of Nazi Youth before taking their places in the SS.
Not my opinion. I'm gleaning this from his manifesto and from news reports.
I have this suspicion that he also saw himself aligned with the anonymous group who promised that this was start of the first phase of their plan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_9T1SPJXRI
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