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I lost my passion for Apple
BetaNews ^ | 08/27/2011 | Joe Wilcox

Posted on 08/27/2011 1:05:29 PM PDT by TomServo

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To: Hodar
Oh, about your graph - here's a new one from Nielsen (the same source) but a little more up-to-date. US Smartphone OS share and manufacturer share:

Android has 39% share in the US, iOS is at 28%. Pretty big change from the data you showed. The market has shifted quite a bit in the last 10 months!

81 posted on 08/28/2011 2:30:55 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Android is larger - no question. We have 4 vendors, each with numerous models - all competing with Apple’s 3 iPhones. And each of Apple’s iPhones are at least 18 months old - I’d say that ain’t too shabby.

I agree, according to RUMORs (that’s all we have, until a ‘rumored’ Sept 7th announcement) is that pre-orders for the iPhone 5 will be Sept 30th, with release for Oct. 7th.

Personally, I suspect that Apple has some tricks up their sleeve. I expect the iPhone5 will be a World-Phone (same phone, any network), in addition to LTE. LTE was installed in the Apple retail stores for both Verizon and AT&T. Timing is everything .... why install LTE in your retail stores, if you have no products that will use it? Why install it now, if the ‘rumored’ iPad 3 will have it; but that won’t be released until 2012.

Apple is very good at keeping things under wraps. Too bad no Apple intern has gone to a bar and gotten drunk, and left their proto-type iPhone5 on a bar stool, like last year.

I do know that in the tablet space; Apple is totally kicking butt, which is unexpected. I didn’t expect Blackberry and HP to fold so quickly - and I don’t understand how Apple can have the margins they do - and HP can’t make an Android tablet that undercuts the iPad in price. This was a total cluster-muck.

One of the problems that Android is going to have going forward, is the plethora of processors that it’s required to support. Apple has the ARM platform - and that’s it. Each device is known and streamlined in the OS. Android supports over a dozen processors, and a plethora of displays, Wi-Fi chipsets, memory, USB, Bluetooth, et. al. chipsets. There is no reference design base that is published by Google. I suspect this is one of the reasons they bought Motorola Mobile.


82 posted on 08/28/2011 2:48:59 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: dennisw; FromTheSidelines

Quote all the nonsense you want, the reality is people buy because they have to, or they have disposable income to buy something they want. It would be a rare person that had to buy an Apple product, so what do you suppose is the reason they would?


83 posted on 08/28/2011 3:05:09 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run--Face it, where I live no (R) can win.)
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To: itsahoot

Greater acceptance in the gay community.


84 posted on 08/28/2011 3:57:40 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: dennisw
Greater acceptance in the gay community.

You really want to play that card?

No one is forced to buy anything they make. Your life is not affected in any way by what Apple does or does not produce, unless you voluntarily buy that product.

Your hating Apple does not make your favorite product work one bit better. So give up the baggage and just live the life God gave you. You may find that the Sun still shines after a rain.

85 posted on 08/29/2011 10:55:53 AM PDT by itsahoot (--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run.--My vote is already bought, so move on)
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To: itsahoot

unless you voluntarily buy that product>>>>>>

I voluntarily buy no ridiculous overpriced products


86 posted on 08/29/2011 1:25:53 PM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Hodar
The iPhone5 will support the 4 inch Retina screen. They are doing this by extending the existing screen to the sides to he edge, and either removing the home button, or incorporating it into the screen.

Just wanted to update on this... Today at BGR they're reporting that "the iPhone 5 display is expected to be between 3.5 and 3.7 inches". As we get closer to real release, the actual size of the screen really doesn't change much from what it is now.

It will be interesting to see what really happens, though!

87 posted on 08/29/2011 2:49:50 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines

Saw that too. My understanding is that there will be 2 phones released. A stripped down, 8 Gig iPhone 4 which will sell for $99 WITHOUT a contract; and the iPhone 5. I suspect that the screens that BGR (9to5Mac and Appleinsider) are aluding to, are the cheap iPhone screens.

Lots of various news reports.

Credit where credit is due; Apple has fantastic security. Unless some poor employee leaves another phone in a bar; we won’t know anything for certain until Sept 7th.


88 posted on 08/29/2011 3:01:52 PM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: dennisw

Proving my point. You are just here to stir the angry pot, so have fun.


89 posted on 08/29/2011 3:26:27 PM PDT by itsahoot (--I will still vote for Sarah Palin, even if she doesn't run.--My vote is already bought, so move on)
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To: Hodar
Unless some poor employee leaves another phone in a bar; we won’t know anything for certain until Sept 7th.

I often wonder if that employee still works at Apple...;)

90 posted on 08/29/2011 4:30:27 PM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines; Hodar
Actually, I don't think the iPhone 4 and iPad have Gorilla Glass. Here's one independent source stating as much, and I don't think Apple has ever directly claimed they use Gorilla Glass.

The iPhone4 is Corning Gorilla Glass... both the screen and the back glass. Apple and Corning have both stated that it is. . . Steve Jobs stated it as a fact in the introduction of the iPhone4. The glass is made by several manufacturers under license from Corning.

As for your link to the scratched iPhone: Again, you find the stuff from the fringes and post it as fact. I have many friend with iPhone4s and none of them, including myself, have succeeded in scratching our phones.

91 posted on 08/29/2011 11:31:27 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Terpfen
Already proven to be a Photoshopped image by TMZ.

That was my call, too. That was why I did not post a link to it on FR. I know that Steve Jobs would never wear shorts or a shirt that was not a black turtleneck. He had worked a full day at Apple on the day he resigned as well. Had he looked that bad, he would not have allowed himself to be re-elected as chairman of the board... and I saw a video of him taken just three weeks ago and he was no where near that appearance. I called fake as soon as I saw it. There was a suspicious line across the neck too.

92 posted on 08/29/2011 11:34:28 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Yep, so is it or is it not? Unless it’s confirmed, it’s probably not... At least the glass on the back definitely isn’t - it shatters much too easily.

It is. Confirmed by both Corning and Apple. Made under license from Corning Glass.

93 posted on 08/29/2011 11:44:12 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: dennisw; Hodar; SoftwareEngineer
Apple motherboards are Intel (reference) motherboards that are rejiggered to Apple specifications. Plus a few interesting chips may be added. Intel has FoxConn do the actual manufacturing of Intel mobos and Apple likely would do the same for its Intel mobs.

No, they are not. We have gone around and around about this before. You make your assertions that Apple does not do the engineering, just buying off the shelf generic stuff and tweaks it... without knowing what you are talking about. And then blather about "Jesse Jobs Gang" and over priced junk. I'd suggest the others just not bother engaging you on this. It's a waste of time... after several years of repeatedly engaging you in the SAME OLD, SAME OLD, I know.

94 posted on 08/29/2011 11:52:42 PM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker; Hodar

Great, I’m sure you can provide a reference? I haven’t been able to find anything other than Apple saying it’s an aluminosilicate screen...


95 posted on 08/30/2011 12:35:52 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines
Great, I’m sure you can provide a reference? I haven’t been able to find anything other than Apple saying it’s an aluminosilicate screen...

I'm not going to bother. My word should be good enough... it is for the 540 members of the Apple Ping list. They know I am to be trusted. The information is available on FR from back when the iPhone4 was first introduced and PugetsoundSoldier tried this same tactic then... and I think you know that. You are not worth the time or the effort. I've wasted enough time on you. You wouldn't read it anyway. Go to Apple and watch the Keynote address where the iPhone4 was revealed by Steve Jobs... there's a slide on there where they make the announcement and Steve Jobs talks about it. Do your own damn research for once.

96 posted on 08/30/2011 12:47:54 AM PDT by Swordmaker (This tag line is a Microsoft product "insult" free zone.)
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To: Swordmaker; dennisw; Hodar; SoftwareEngineer
I give you the source where I learned about Apple's outsourcing of designs:

Quanta first gained notice in the '80s for cleverly cramming new components into notebooks. Then, in 2001, Apple contracted with the company to design its G4 notebook from top to bottom.

Quanta still builds for Apple, too... If you go and look at Barry Lam's bio, the founder and chairman of Quanta, you'll find the following REFERENCED statement:

Quanta designs and manufactures for clients such as Apple Inc.

Notice: designs AND manufactures. Do you think Quanta provides industrial design or user interface design for Apple? Or perhaps it provides electrical/PCB design and power supply design? Huh - what was claimed - someone else designs Apple's motherboards. Here are a couple references that seem to back that assertion up.

What makes you think that Quanta doesn't do a significant part of the design work for Apple? They were doing it all in 2001 - ODM, Original Design Manufacturer (design and build to spec). What makes you think it's changed much since then? Especially since Quanta lists Apple as an ODM (Original Design Manufacturer) client - meaning design AND build?

What source do you have that Apple designs their own motherboards in-house, at Apple? Or their own power supplies in-house, at Apple? What source do you have that says Apple doesn't use a tweaked version of Intel's reference motherboard?

You make the claim, here's some references that run counter to your claim. So can you refute them with anything solid, other than your personal beliefs?

97 posted on 08/30/2011 12:49:35 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: Swordmaker; FromTheSidelines

FromTheSidelines knows what he is talking about. You can dismiss me if you want, what do I care. But FromTheSidelines has your number.

Such as -— “What evidence do you have that Apple (employees) designs it’s motherboards in Cupertino California?” You can reply to FromTheSidelines


98 posted on 08/30/2011 1:02:07 AM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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To: Swordmaker
Just watched it. Nothing there about Gorilla Glass. The CNET coverage mentioned glass, but not what type. And the closest thing I've found to an answer from Steve Jobs is that the glass on the back is the same on the front - but no confirmation it's Gorilla Glass.

So, I guess we'll chalk this up to a Swordmaker belief, not a fact.

99 posted on 08/30/2011 1:03:05 AM PDT by FromTheSidelines ("everything that deceives, also enchants" - Plato)
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To: FromTheSidelines; Swordmaker

I remember when Quanta sold computers and laptops here in America. HQ in New Jersey if I remember right. They obviously decided being a CM was a better idea

Quanta is Steve Jobs big Mac Daddy. His Intel savior and why Apple moved to Intel and ditched IBM/Motorola chips. Quanta is the brains behind the operation. The Wiki entries on Quanta and its owner Barry Lam are revealing as far as Apple goes. My guess is Quanta is serious partners with FoxConn. Quanta does the brain work for Apple, then FoxxConn does manufacturing and assembly. The Cupertino gang does the hype, the marketing and distribution. They go to the beach while the Chinese and Taiwanese do all the heavy lifting.


100 posted on 08/30/2011 1:13:33 AM PDT by dennisw (nzt - works better if you're already smart)
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