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Two women accused Herman Cain of inappropriate behavior
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Posted on 10/30/2011 5:13:09 PM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: Sacajaweau

It has everything to do with race.

This is the exact trick they played on Clarence Thomas.


301 posted on 10/31/2011 5:49:53 AM PDT by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Karl Denninger has jumped the shark. Do not visit his blog.))
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To: Sub-Driver

This is NOT good for his campaign.

Financial payouts?


302 posted on 10/31/2011 5:51:54 AM PDT by wolfcreek (Perry to Obama: Adios, MOFO!)
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To: Hildy
John Fund is not one of my favorites. As far as being Presidential I suppose you could work your way up the ladders of public service and party operations like FDR, or in a more direct way like HST, or maybe kiss a lot of butt in the military like IKE ~ or.

We've had small Souvrn' state governors, ne'er do well scions of great fortunes, former generals, and in recent times NO BUSINESS EXECUTIVES.

Now there's a problem ~ we have THREE of those guys running on the Republican ticket ~ Romney, Huntsman and Cain.

A lot of folks imagine people working within the business bureaucracies don't get that much exposure to the outside world, or varied responsibilities expected of general executives in government, but tell me, what is the big difference between the Fast Food Wars and any other kind of wars ('ceptin' the bodies of course). And does testifying before Congress to get funds to sustain a war effort different in kind, or simply scale, from trying to get your own board's approval to build a building or come up with a new major advertising program.

Then, there's the geographic wheeling and dealing ~ all three of the business executive types in this race have nationwide experience.

Actually, after years in the government I prefer a business exec, but not Huntsman, and not Romney.

If not Cain then John Fund and his running dog lackeys in the Establishment have let us down again.

Whether or not we the voters grant them the courtesy of Seppuku remains to be determined, but I'd hope John has his sword ready just in case.

303 posted on 10/31/2011 6:05:11 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ken5050

I found hotel lobbies in full sight of total strangers preferable ~


304 posted on 10/31/2011 6:07:06 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah
That's exactly my point..Cain, being an innocent guy..never even thought it inappropriate to invite a woman up to his sujite to discuss business..and a suite..has a living room..it's not just a bedroom..that's often why it's used for proivate business meetings..because he had NO ulterior motives..

I never did...and before the Lewinski mess..I'd often have closed door meeting with a female employee/co-worker..you closed the door to avoid interruptions...but anythign can be said, alleged..

305 posted on 10/31/2011 6:10:05 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: Sacajaweau; magritte; ken5050
So the fact remains NO, the accusers cannot offer any proof to back up the lies. All they can do is keep screaming the accusation hoping if they lie loud enough often enough, the lie will be believed true.

Sick and shameless behavior.

306 posted on 10/31/2011 6:12:05 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Don’t worry there will be a FOIA suit filed since he is a candidate. The Legal docs will settle the matter.

Gordon and Cains response:
Cain spokesman J.D. Gordon told POLITICO the candidate indicated to campaign officials that he was “vaguely familiar” with the charges and that the restaurant association’s general counsel had resolved the matter.

The latest statement came from Cain himself. In a tense sidewalk encounter Sunday morning outside the Washington bureau of CBS News — where the Republican contender had just completed an interview on “Face the Nation” — Cain evaded a series of questions about sexual harassment allegations.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1011/67194.html#ixzz1cMdrm1Nj

The only shameless ones around here are the ones that deend this man but spent YEARS attacking Bubba Clinton and his sexual attacks.

Clinton never paid anyone (that we know of)


307 posted on 10/31/2011 6:12:18 AM PDT by marty60
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To: marty60

You claim you had proof Marty. Produce it. I say you are shameless sick liar. Prove me wrong.


308 posted on 10/31/2011 6:13:21 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
Q: Did you ever beat your wife?

A: Which one?

309 posted on 10/31/2011 6:13:30 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: Hildy; magritte; Sacajaweau
More proof that the accusation are lies. Where is your proof they are not?

Ron Magruder, Denise Marie Fugo and Joseph Fassler, the chair, vice chair and immediate past chairman of the National Restaurant Association board of directors at the time of Cain’s departure, said they hadn’t heard about any complaints regarding Cain making unwanted advances.

“I have never heard that. It would be news to me,” said Fugo, who runs a Cleveland, Ohio, catering company, adding such behavior would be totally out of character for the Cain she knew. “He’s very gracious.”

Fassler, who helped bring Cain on board as CEO of the restaurant association, said that any inappropriate behavior was not brought to his attention and that he would be upset to learn it had gone on and he was not made aware of it. “That’s a shock to me,” Fassler said. “As an officer during all of Herman’s years there as a paid executive… none of that stuff ever surfaced to me. Nobody ever called me, complained about this, nor did I ever hear that from Peter Kilgore, nor did I ever hear that from Herman Cain.”

Fassler — who ran a Phoenix food-service company and finished his term as chairman the month before Cain’s June 1999 departure but remained on the board’s executive committee — described Cain as treating men and women identically and asserted it was “not within his character” to make unwanted advances. “It’s not what I know of him,” Fassler said.

Much like Fassler, almost all board members remember Cain fondly and say he left on good terms.

Cain was “extremely professional” and “fair” to female staffers at the restaurant association, recalled Lee Ellen Hayes, who said she “worked fairly closely with” Cain in the late 1990s, when she was an executive at the National Restaurant Association Education Fund, a Chicago-based offshoot of the group.

Cain’s treatment of women was “the same as his treatment of men. Herman treated everyone great,” said Mary Ann Cricchio, who was elected to the board of the restaurant group in 1998. She said Cain left such a good impression on the organization that when he spoke at a group event in January of this year, as he was considering a presidential bid, “he had unanimous support in the room.”

We know nothing about the accusers and the specifics of the accusations from a dozen years ago are reported rather vaguely by Politico: “episodes that left the women upset and offended” and “physical gestures that were not overtly sexual but that made women who experienced or witnessed them uncomfortable and that they regarded as improper in a professional relationship.”

310 posted on 10/31/2011 6:17:54 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie

Your a pathetic mindless idiot. It’s up to Cain to agree to release the Docs, obviously the ladies feel stronly enough about the situation to speak to reporters.

Apparently you are perfectly happy to have yet another sexual harrasser in the WH. Speaks volumes as to your character. Call the restraunt association and adk to see the doc.

If you bothered to read the article Cain even spoke to his cmpaign months ago about this coming out.

closing your eyes to the TRUTH doesn’t make it go away.


311 posted on 10/31/2011 6:19:26 AM PDT by marty60
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To: monkeyshine
My point is, if a man with a position of power as attorney general, as governor, then as President can write it all off as “just about sex”, anyone can.

Unfortunately, that's not the case. Because we set ourselves up as the party which defends traditional values, we tend to be judged by that standard, while dims are judged by the values they embrace. (ie: killing babies, atheistic behaviors, etc). Is it a double standard? YES. Will it change? Nope

Cain would do best to ignore it as much as possible, and when asked directly simply say “everyone who runs a business knows that these claims are quite common” and “I did nothing inappropriate”.

Nope - that's the expected response. Instead, Cain needs to take the offensive and tap into the large pool of disgust which the voters have at political correctness, extreme sexual harassment policies and political smear tactics.

312 posted on 10/31/2011 6:46:01 AM PDT by mr_griz
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To: muawiyah
The folks at Politico are always throwing their hands up in horror at even the thought of HETEROSEXUAL SEX.

LOL

313 posted on 10/31/2011 6:51:42 AM PDT by mr_griz
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To: marty60
Apparently you are perfectly happy to have yet another sexual harrasser in the WH.

I'm not sure even the allegations rise to this level. Making a female in a work environment "uncomfortable" is something that doesn't necessarily have a sexual component, perhaps not even a sexist one.

After the "high-tech lynching" of now-Supreme Court Justice Thomas, we all changed our ways in the work-place, it was absolutely frightening for those males in management at that time. EVERYTHING changed, and I believe the reaction actually harmed women, because who knew who could be trusted, and who couldn't.

In my twenty-three years of being in the office where the buck stops, I've had two sexual harrassment claims against male employees hit my desk. Both were right after the Thomas confirmation hearings. One was a disgruntled employee who had been fired, claiming the one who had fired her had harrassed her years prior to the firing, and nothing was ever reported. The second allegation involved two peers, neither had power over the other, and had to do with suggestive remarks. I called them in, elicited an apology and a promise to cease and desist, and the two of them are friends today.

We can make too much of this right now, Clinton was a SERIAL sexual harrasser, and there was a great deal of evidence prior to his being elected. Until a lot of credible instances arise to cause me to think this is just politics, I'm with Herman. I think the American people are tired of this crap, and it may just backfire on the liberals fanning what still may turn out to be non-existent flames.

314 posted on 10/31/2011 6:53:54 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright
Until a lot of credible instances arise to cause me to think this is just politics, I'm with Herman.

...should be...."cause me to think this isn't just politics..."

315 posted on 10/31/2011 7:10:06 AM PDT by wayoverontheright
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To: wayoverontheright

Yeah I know. But remember Bubba’s started with One. But Cain worked for BIG CORP. They have an army of sharks to keep this stuff hidden behind Lawyereze.

Actually Bubba is a RAPIST!


316 posted on 10/31/2011 7:32:25 AM PDT by marty60
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To: wayoverontheright
I could have easily had a co-worker claim I said things in front of them that made them uncomfortable.

I certainly have walked away from plenty of gatherings where the funny jokes went one step too far for me and I became uncomfortable.

My husband had just about every lady in his office cry in his office. He had to keep the door open to protect himself, and no longer had a secretary that could sit in, due to downsizing. Everyone was crying at some point. Even the men, being overworked and then let go due to downsizing.

We stopped having sleepovers for our children, because of all the repressed memory claims surfacing about abuse. I told my husband there is no way to defend yourself against an allegation made.

317 posted on 10/31/2011 7:37:33 AM PDT by proud2beconservativeinNJ ("In God We Trust")
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To: MNJohnnie

I made NO accusations and I don’t know why you are hysterical.


318 posted on 10/31/2011 7:43:47 AM PDT by varina davis (Life is not a dress rehearsal)
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To: Sub-Driver
Remember how Cain was all over the Perry hunting-camp story?

What goes around, comes around....

319 posted on 10/31/2011 8:03:53 AM PDT by trollop
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To: AdamBomb

A complete non-story. Clinton was accused of RAPE and it was covered up by the media. This was before he was elected president. Does the name Paula Jones ring a bell.
Obama admitted snorting cocaine. This was barely reported by the media. Google the name Larry Sinclair and see what he says about Obama. This story also didn’t get the light of day when the Manchurian Candidate was running for president.


321 posted on 10/31/2011 9:24:27 AM PDT by Luther1917
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To: marty60
Marty, it's politico ~ bunch of queers ~ like I said they always throw their hands up in the air and squeal anytime HETEROSEXUAL SEX is on the day's docket.

We do not believe anything they have to say about it.

Now, go back and squeal with your little girlfriends and get out of here while real men talk.

322 posted on 10/31/2011 10:43:37 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: MNJohnnie

There is not a doubt in my mind that these particular allegations are false. A man who has lived the life Cain has will have things like this, it’s just life in modern day America. Opportunists abound and there are 1000 lawyers for every one of them.

I fear the things that will be coming out. It’s just the nature of public life. I pray that there is nothing awful that will hurt him as a person. But my gut tells me there is more.


323 posted on 10/31/2011 10:58:36 AM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: Hildy
Take a look around here. This is biting your sleaze merchant friends like Fund right on the butt.

You can take a message from the grass roots back to the rest of the Rovebot Establishment friends of yours.

Beat Cain on the issues or get out of the way. This sort of slime is going to buy the GOP Machine a Ross Perot type independent challenger in 2012. We not going to put up with this crap from the Beltway clowns anymore.

The Tea Party is not to fond of the GOP Establishment machine to start with. They are not going to roll over and play dead for the GOP slime machine. The GOP machine maybe able to win a battle against Cain with these slimy tactics, but they will lose the war.

So either get out of the way or get run over GOP, the choice is yours.

324 posted on 10/31/2011 11:07:23 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: mr_griz

Very good reply. Thanks.


325 posted on 10/31/2011 11:13:11 AM PDT by monkeyshine
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To: MNJohnnie

You are very naive.


326 posted on 10/31/2011 12:21:35 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: MNJohnnie

By the way, besides spewing on this website, what are you doing to actually help Cain? Again, I like Cain. But I’m not going to blindly follow anyone. The stakes are too high.


327 posted on 10/31/2011 12:28:14 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: MNJohnnie

By the way, besides spewing on this website, what are you doing to actually help Cain? Again, I like Cain. But I’m not going to blindly follow anyone. The stakes are too high.


328 posted on 10/31/2011 12:28:38 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: Hildy
How about some honest commentary then rather then rumor, anonymous sources and innuendo? Ah but that right, since you Establishment sleazeballs know you cannot win on the issues all you are left with is your standard slime-bag tactics. Better buy a clue. This election is going to be like none you have ever experienced. Your GOPbot standard issue bag of dirty tricks isn't going to work this time.

Those of us who have been in the machine know how you people operate. We aren't going to stand idly by and watch you play your stupid political games.

The stakes are to high for "politics as usual" games in 2012

329 posted on 10/31/2011 12:36:05 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: marty60
You really are a slimy, sleazeball. I would take Mr. Cain in the White House over anybody you might be supporting.
330 posted on 10/31/2011 12:43:23 PM PDT by beandog (Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand)
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To: justsaynomore

If some Freepers know Cain personally, that’s one thing. But for the most part, none of us know most public figures very well at all.

You may agree with the politician. You may like his or her style. You may have followed him or her throughout their public career. But don’t mistake that for knowing him well.

I’ve stopped instinctively defending politicians when claims of adultery or sexual shenanigans arise. Frankly, the suggestion that a political public figure may be a bit sexually adveturous doesn’t stretch credulity at all.

I’m not proclaiming Cain guilty of anything. Let’s see the nature and substance of the allegations are credible. Until then, I remain of open mind: perfectly willing to accept there is nothing to this, and perfectly open to accept that the allegations are true and serious.

Let’s see the evidence.


331 posted on 10/31/2011 1:25:48 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: MNJohnnie

Let’s see the evidence. I won’t proclaim the allegations as truth or lies until we evaluate the evidence.

I’ve stopped instinctively defending politicians on matters like this.


332 posted on 10/31/2011 1:27:37 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: MNJohnnie

I am of open mind on the matter. An open mind is prepared to accept any outcome.


333 posted on 10/31/2011 1:28:13 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Ted Grant

“If some Freepers know Cain personally, that’s one thing.”

Yes, I know at least three long time FReepers (not me) that know Cain well on a personal basis, including two who have worked closely with him over the years.

You should follow the latest news on this story. Not only is the author’s story falling apart, but many women who worked with Cain are coming forward attesting to his character.


334 posted on 10/31/2011 1:43:20 PM PDT by justsaynomore (Cain 2012 - http://teamcain.hermancain.com)
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To: justsaynomore

I’m just being fair and keeping an open mind.


335 posted on 10/31/2011 4:12:06 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Sub-Driver

A nothingburger.


336 posted on 10/31/2011 4:37:58 PM PDT by CitizenReporter
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To: MNJohnnie

Who are you talking about? YOU ESTABLISHMENT SLEAZEBALLS. Me? You don’t even know mePut up or shut up and you owe me an apology. But people like you, that throw bombs from behind a screen, and scream about changing things, but never do..I don’t expect much from the likes of you. I do more to further the Conservative cause in one day then you have your entire life.


337 posted on 10/31/2011 6:33:17 PM PDT by Hildy ("When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser." - SocratesH)
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To: Hildy
What is wrong with you people. We’re not allowed to say anything about a Conservative candidate

No Hildy, it is just Cain. These Cain Train folks have turned me off on him as they are nasty.

Just like the Ron Paul supporters.

Half are new and half are sniffing glue.

338 posted on 10/31/2011 7:00:46 PM PDT by Eaker ("If someone misquotes you, it's because they know you're right.")
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To: BagCamAddict
Your settlement was for a neck injury claim, which is very different from a sexual harassment claim. The dynamics and the financial stakes are pretty high in cases like Cain's. And according to this article, Cain has changed his story in less than 24 hours.

Cain Changes His Tune on Allegations:
In an interview airing on Fox News on Monday night, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain says that a financial settlement was paid to one of two women who accused him of sexual harassment while he was serving as head of the National Restaurant Association over a decade ago.

However, in responding to the accusations in question earlier in the day, the former Godfather's Pizza CEO said, "I have never sexually harassed anyone and those accusations are totally false ... It was concluded, after a thorough investigation, that it had no basis." He added, "I am unaware of any sort of settlement." Cain was not asked how he could have been unaware of a settlement if he knew the results of an investigation into the charges. He said that once the charges were brought against him he recused himself from the investigation.

And he added that he does not want the NRA to confirm or deny the settlements, or give any information at all about the incidents.

Why doesn’t Cain want the NRA to comment on the matter or share important details and information? If there is nothing there why fear any disclosure? If the whole thing is made up, let the facts come out and let the matter play out so people will see it for what it is. Cain will come out of this more powerful than ever.

339 posted on 10/31/2011 8:18:33 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Ted Grant
Today I had a sort of revelation. Remember how Cain has always supported Romney, even going so far as to endorse him in 2008? Furthermore, in 2011, he has attacked Perry and other candidates, yet has defended Romney. This is despite Romney's pro-abortion positions, his anti-gun stance, his favorable comments about global warming, his healthcare plan for Massachusetts (Romneycare, the basis of Obamacare), his pandering for gay rights, and his many other liberal policies and ideologies. None of these deficiencies have dented Cain’s support for Romney at all. But something hit me today, and it was the feeling that Cain's support of Romney was due to fear of his past being unearth because more than other candidates, Romney has the resources to go after him.

However, Romney wouldn’t care if Cain plays nice, as he will destroy anyone that crosses him in the path of the GOP nomination.

No, I don’t have any evidence about this - it just hit me today and I just put it together.

340 posted on 10/31/2011 8:21:31 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Victoria Delsoul

It is certainly very possible. Romney has a very polished style but as you note, he is a brutal political combatant. The guy that Cain threatens the most is Romney, since he shot to 1st place and has remained there for a few weeks now.


341 posted on 10/31/2011 8:33:56 PM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: Victoria Delsoul

I haven’t had time to research much tonight, but the article I read said that Cain’s counsel told him about the settlement. I didn’t see the interview live, so I don’t know if he meant that his current counsel told him the information this afternoon, or if he meant he knew it all along.

In things like this, I have found that often reading it in the written word it comes across much different than the speaker meant it in real life, due to the inability of the written word to capture inflection and so forth. Also, an article can pick and choose which words to print, and which not to print. So I would want to see the interview before I know whether he was saying he found about (from counsel) later today about the settlement.


342 posted on 10/31/2011 8:34:13 PM PDT by BagCamAddict (Order 15 Herman Cain Yard Signs for $130: https://store.hermancain.com/orderform.asp?pid=20)
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To: BagCamAddict

Well, seek out the video and evaluate the comments for yourself. This isn’t the final word on the matter. So this is one story that will certainly dominate the week’s news, and possibly beyond. I do think Cain and his people mishandled this issue. They knew about this since October 20 when Political contacted them. They had 10 days to prepare a response. And if somehow they didn’t see it coming, what’s wrong with them?


343 posted on 10/31/2011 8:42:41 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: Hildy

Take a look around Hildy, the Rovebot smear directed at Cain blew up in the Establishement’s face.


344 posted on 11/01/2011 4:23:02 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: MNJohnnie
If there were any "meat" to these allegations, the MSM would have saved it to destroy Cain in the General Election. As usual, the strategy seems to be to discredit the Conservatives so we end up with a "Radical Liberal" vs. "RINO" general election, as opposed to a "Liberal" vs. "Conservative" one.

Let's see: Bachmann's a looney Evangelical Christian; Perry's a drunk/stoned/incoherent public speaker; Paul's totally unelectable; and now Cain's a sexual predator. Gee, I guess I'm stuck with Mitt, huh?

Psst, we're smarter than that.

345 posted on 11/01/2011 4:57:29 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (We've been taken for a ride - by Wall Street and Washington DC - Welcome to Amerika!)
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