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To: PieterCasparzen
We have laws against immorality since the 10 Commandments, somehow they seem not to have had the intended effect. I do not understand how the repeal of these blue laws has much of an effect either.

As I dictate this I can look out the window and see the steeple of the church in our little Bavarian village. The second biggest building in the village is the rectory which stands to the left of the church. After the war when Gen. Patton swept through here the Americans occupied this village and the rectory served as the American officers' Poof -bordello.

Today the building has reverted to its higher calling of service.

Prostitution has been legal here in Germany and regulated and it seems to be far less problematical than it is in hypocritical, puritanical America.

We do not need more blue laws but fewer.

We do not need more laws about morality but more morality.


7 posted on 11/24/2011 11:25:42 PM PST by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford

It’s not a fair comparison to put religious teachings held to be received from God on the level of a public morality law that can be passed or rescinded at the whim of men.

German prostitutes may be savvy about avoiding venereal disease, but there has yet to be a condom that can be placed over your heart. It’s better to have high standards but fail to meet them, than absurdly low ones however easy.


10 posted on 11/24/2011 11:49:26 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (bloodwashed not whitewashed)
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To: nathanbedford
We have laws against immorality since the 10 Commandments, somehow they seem not to have had the intended effect.

I don't know if you're Christian, but the Bible is the Word of God; everything in it has therefore had the exact effect that God has willed.

I do not understand how the repeal of these blue laws has much of an effect either.

Blue laws in the U.S. concern restrictions like closing businesses on the Lord's Day. Prostitution laws would be classified as morality laws. The effects of rapidly increasing mmorality in the U.S. have coincided with the elimination of laws governing morality starting in the 1960's. There is a big difference in the attitudes and actions of the population when immorality is illegal and forced underground and when it is legalized and allowed to increase and spread throughout the leadership of the nation.

After the war when Gen. Patton swept through here the Americans occupied this village and the rectory served as the American officers' Poof -bordello.

Nowhere does the Bible say that everyone who professes to be a Christian will not sin. In fact, the Bible teaches that every human is born into sin an unable to resist it without the help of the Holy Spirit. This is why a true believer be convicted of his own sin and gladly confess that he is a sinner, and though he may falter (even the Apostles faltered), he generally will experience what is called progressive sanctification in his Christian walk if indeed he is saved. Simply because certain GI's patronized a bordello in WWII, a whole nation or Church is not implicated as hypocrites.

Prostitution has been legal here in Germany and regulated and it seems to be far less problematical than it is in hypocritical, puritanical America.

Problems may or may not be visible, but certainly the wages of sin is death; physical death and spiritual death, eternal separation from God. America today is more like Sodom and Gomorrah than puritanical, as many professing Christians and congregations are heretical, let alone the vast number of unbelievers who reject God. As far as hypocrisy, the Bible in numerous verses - many are Jesus' own words - admonishes the believer to not be hypocritical. So if a Christian is hypocritical they alone are to blame, not America or anyone or anything else. We must remember that it is not hypocritical for a Christian to testify to the truth of Scripture, in fact, they are called to do just that. And Scripture clearly says in many places that sexual immorality is a sin. If I were to say that prostitution is not a sin I would be lying.

We do not need more laws about morality but more morality.

The Bible tells us that the civil government is a God-ordained institution intended to restrain evil. This serves God's purposes by protecting the innocent. Also, Godly leaders of Godly nations are directed to make and enforce laws to that effect. This is because rampant sin will multiply - since people are inherently born into sin and can not resist the temptation to sin without the Holy Spirit, which dwells within believers. If there are only few true believers in a nation, and sin is not restrained, it will snowball dramatically and cause great misery. This is evident in history in the rise and fall of nations. God controls all things, nations rise and fall according to his will and purposes. Sometimes evil nations prosper to serve his purposes (there are many cases of this in history, many of them in the Bible), eventually they are brought low. We do not know the mind of God and therefore to what we are predestined by him to, but it is ours to keep trying regardless. We actually have no other choice since we do not know the future, like a person on the Titanic or in a sports event for that matter, we simply keep trying.

IMHO.
30 posted on 11/25/2011 3:49:50 AM PST by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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To: nathanbedford
"We do not need more laws about morality but more morality."

Isn't every criminal law statute on the books a "law about morality"?

31 posted on 11/25/2011 3:59:33 AM PST by circlecity
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To: nathanbedford
Poof

I believe you used this (somewhat) phonetically, but it's Puff, derived from the eponymous boardgame (often played in brothels back in the day), an early form of Backgammon.

(Just in case you ever need to ask for directions...kidding!)

58 posted on 11/25/2011 12:17:27 PM PST by Moltke (Always retaliate first.)
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