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To: DJ Elliott

Respectfully disagree on your disagree -

Readiness is more than whether the tanks engines can be started in the garage. Its whether the organization and resources are there to put them in significant numbers, with fuel and ammunition, in working order, over the mountain ranges and rivers between their bases and their areas of operation in Iraq. Thats a degree of organization Iran hasn’t attempted since 1989, and at that time they were failing badly, with only a few dozen tanks in the field and air sorties in the ones and twos a day. Iran really hasn’t attempted to rearm significantly since then.

As for Irans divisions, thats the larger point. Iran sued for peace in 1989 because these divisions at the time were divisions only on paper, demoralized and deserting. The regime today seems even less legitimate to the Iranians, and from online accounts Iranian conscript training is perfunctory in the extreme. To man these paper divisions they will have only the most reluctant of conscripts.

The IRGC could possibly be considered reliable, but there are rather few of them and it would be risky to the Iranian regime to put a significant number of them in a foreign field when this may weaken the regime against internal threats.

Iraq can also count, against a stupidly overt Iranian conventional attack, on US air support within a matter of days, and the aid of Kuwait, the Gulf States and Saudi Arabia, at least in the air.


7 posted on 01/24/2012 1:15:13 PM PST by buwaya
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To: buwaya

not so fast. Didn’t the clown in the WH make a statement when pulling the troops out, about Iraq’s destiny being left to Iraq. I don’t remember the actual statement. He used jets in Libya to try and protect the flow of oil to England and France. Payback for their help in Iraq and Afghanistan.

He has nothing to gain here in Iraq. The Iraqi’s are doing everything possible to get the US out of the country completely. They got rid of the military and now they are working on the State Dept. Only a matter of time before the embassy is turned over.


8 posted on 01/24/2012 1:57:11 PM PST by qaz123
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To: buwaya

In 1989 Iran had a 1/3rd the armor/artillery it has now.
The 1988 Iraqi offensives did a number on them.

They have upgraded since then and continue to upgrade with Russian assistance.

E.G. The new “indiginious” built tank is the old M60 hulls with new suspension, Russian diesel engine, A T90’s turrent, gun, and fire-control plus reactive armor. Basically, it is a Russian upgrade Kit.

The number of Russian tanks in the Iranian Forces has also gone up.

By comparison Iraq has:
140 M1A1s - however the 120mm ammo bought so far is basic training levels.
~125 T72s
All the above is in Baghdad Province with 9th Div.
~76 T54/55 - however, I’ve never seen the main guns fired and the views of the barrels indicate they are not operational. These are in Basra and Ninawa.

Other than those tanks and RPGs [squad level weapons], none of the ISF have an anti-tank capability...

As to artillery, 9th Div in Baghdad, 5th Div in Diyala, and 3rd Div in Ninawa are the only IA Divisions with Howitzers - and they only got them in the last year - still training on using them. 120 M198s and 30 M109s total.

It does not matter how bad the Iranian Air is if it is unopposed - anything that flies is more than Iraq has.

Why do you think the US would interviene? We have no defense treaty with Iraq. Iraq has no defense treaties with any countries.

And where would we fly from? Need the permission of the GCC to fly from there and a war with Iran would leave the birdfarms outside the Gulf - inside the Gulf is a kill box from the Iranian coast.

You are assuming immeadiate reaction from the US/GCC. I do not see it with the current US administration and I do not see it from the GCC. Iraq is not a US tripwire since we left - the GCC is.


9 posted on 01/24/2012 1:57:47 PM PST by DJ Elliott (Montrose Toast Blog)
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To: buwaya

The lack of any Iraqi defense treaties is why the USF-I withdraw was effectively throwing Iraq to the wolves.

If USF-I was still there, then any attack on Iraq would result in automatic US response since they would also be attacking US forces.

As it stands, any attack would have a political delay while the US and GCC politicals debated “do we want a war with Iran”?

Iraq would fall before that political debate was over given the current gaps in force structure, training and equipment.

The US is under no obligation to defend Iraq. Iraq has no treaty allies...


10 posted on 01/24/2012 2:11:16 PM PST by DJ Elliott (Montrose Toast Blog)
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