Posted on 02/10/2012 12:57:37 PM PST by Kartographer
“So what martial art move does he use against a sniper that takes him out at 800 yards with a .338 lapua magnum?”
This is an idiotic response. You are missing the point. He has sharp killer instincts. He’s fast and tough. Oh, and - btw - he also is very skilled with firearms and is likely TO BE the sniper at 800 yards.
You see, it’s not about this one guy. It’s a conceptual argument. I keep seeing posts like, “Oh, let these guys show up and try to take MY food. I’ll put a cap in their arse!” What people don’t seem to get is that SOME of these folks who are relying on their guns (instead of supplies) are simply more fit, better trained, and have a better instinct about killing.
Consider this: what if it was a Navy Seal? Or a trained Marine sniper? Who do you think wins that firefight the vast majority of times?
That’s my point. I’d pit 100 of the guy I know in CT versus 100 internet message board prepper braggarts and I know what the outcome would be.
Read the article again. It was talking about people who are well-trained in the use of firearms and combat arts. THAT’S THE POINT. If you think you DON’T have an obligation to be BETTER than them to survive, you’re wrong.
Just like the idiot in NH who thinks her tight, trustworthy community will somehow see her through, there are far too many preppers who think “I own a gun, I’m all set.” When the sh!t hits the fan, if you aren’t better prepared, better trained, and in better physical shape than all the other yahoos who own a gun, you’re likely to be toast, too. Especially if you live in a densely populated area.
“After grandma and little granddaughter triangle in on him, all his guns will belong to them.”
(I ended up reusing a response posted to another Freeper almost in it’s entirety because it applies.)
This is an idiotic response. You are missing the point. He has sharp killer instincts. He’s fast and tough. Oh, and - btw - he’s likely to have teamed up with someone to triangle on grandma and the granddaughter.
You see, it’s not about this one guy. It’s a conceptual argument. I keep seeing posts like, “Oh, let’s these guys show up and try to take MY food. I’ll put a cap in their arse!” What people don’t seem to get is that SOME of these folks who are relying on their guns (instead of supplies) are simply more fit, better trained, and have a better instinct about killing.
Consider this: what if it was a Navy Seal? Or a trained Marine sniper? Who do you think wins that firefight the vast majority of times?
That’s my point. I’d pit 100 of the guy I know in CT versus 100 internet message board prepper braggarts and I know what the outcome would be.
Read the article again. It was talking about people who are well-trained in the use of firearms and combat arts. THAT’S THE POINT. If you think you DON’T have an obligation to be BETTER than them to survive, you’re wrong.
Just like the idiot in NH who thinks her tight, trustworthy community will somehow see her through, there are far too many preppers who think “I own a gun, I’m all set.” When the sh!t hits the fan, if you aren’t better prepared, better trained, and in better physical shape than all the other yahoos who own a gun, you’re likely to be toast, too. Especially if you live in a densely populated area.
It would behoove you to actually read the article. It was not referring to the type of people you described. It was referring to well-trained ex-military types.
A set of articles about collapse in Argentina provide some good pointers about survival in an in-between situation.
A more likely scenario than Zombie Apocalypse is a situation where local governments have gone bust, but have not managed to take the whole economy down with them. In this scenario, the lights will still be on, you are likely to be still employed, but you have a huge increase in street crime, home invasions, and robberies. The situation would involve how to band with your neighbors so as to protect your neighborhoods when police cannot keep up, and how to get to and from work safely when carjackings become much more common.
LEOs currently are developing a looter mentality, where the solution to low government revenue is to engage in enough traffic stops that the fines make up for the revenue shortfall.
What happens when local governments find difficulty in meeting payrolls, and some LEOs decide to stage "drug raids" on houses they know have lots of loot to confiscate?
In such a scenario, strange young males, particularly in groups, would be shot on sight.
Looters' bodies would definitely be on the menu for dog food, since dogs are useful and pet-food can be eaten by people in a pinch. In the final extreme, I would be prepared to lie to my wife and kids about where and how I scored that bag of jerky than allow them to starve.
The lesson of Katrina is that when TSHTF, police will desert their posts and look after themselves and their own families first.
I know I'm unprepared and I am more prepared than most. If it goes shtf in a bad way, (99.5%) of us are screwed. Most people are tied to a single theory/solution. This concept that people can survive and retain their humanity is flawed. I have thought about it and have come to the conclusion that there are 2 choices - die or become truly vicious. Probably won't have to make that decision right away but eventually if its teotwawki then that's the choice.
The key is what scenario plays out and the speed. Based on that info determines my defensive, offensive or run and hide response. I pray we don't see it and if it does its like what we have seen in other modern countries and not like the biblical Apocalypse.
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>> “What happens when local governments find difficulty in meeting payrolls, and some LEOs decide to stage “drug raids” on houses they know have lots of loot to confiscate?” <<
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To quote one of the Watergate personalities, Headshots?
“How seriously? My son is type 1.”
Start with a patent search, then expand from there. It’s mostly an aqueous process involving multiple concentrations and crystallizations. The final assay involves injecting your extract into live mice or rabbits and seeing at what level they react, it’s a bioassay.
You’ll need to move close to a slaughterhouse or have some other source for fresh pancreas.
If you use google, maybe a site-specific search with my screen name and “insulin” might pull up my previous research, if not, PM me and we can work together. I didn’t save much, from before.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eva_Saxl
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=IE&hl=en-GB&v=xlOBl_nEits&feature=related#normal
http://books.google.com/books?id=9aK...um=1&ct=result
http://www.discoveryofinsulin.com/Experiments.htm
http://www.discoveryofinsulin.com/FGBLecture.htm
Best and Scott who are responsible for the preparation of Insulin in the Insulin Division of the Connaught Laboratories have tested all the available methods and have appropriated certain details from many of these, several new procedures have been found advantageous have been introduced by them. The yield of Insulin obtained by Best and Scott at the Connaught Laboratories, by a preliminary extraction with dilute sulphuric acid followed by alcohol is 1,800 to 2,220 units per kg. of pancreas.
The present method of preparation is as follows. The beef or pork pancreas is finely minced in a larger grinder and the minced material is then treated with 5 c.c. of concentrated sulphuric acid, appropriately diluted, per pound of glands. The mixture is stirred for a period of three or four hours and 95% alcohol is added until the concentration of alcohol is 60% to 70%. Two extractions of the glands are made. The solid material is then partially removed by centrifuging the mixture and the solution is further clarified by filtering through paper. The filtrate is practically neutralized with NaOH. The clear filtrate is concentrated in vacuo to about 1/15 of its original volume. The concentrate is then heated to 50oC which results in the separation of lipoid and other materials, which are removed by filtration. Ammonium sulphate (37 grams. per 100 c.c.) is then added to the concentrate and a protein material containing all the Insulin floats to the top of the liquid. The precipitate is skimmed off and dissolved in hot acid alcohol. When the precipitate has completely dissolved, 10 volumes of warm alcohol are added. The solution is then neutralized with NaOH and cooled to room temperature, and kept in a refrigerator at 5oC for two days. At the end of this time the dark coloured supernatant alcohol is decanted off. The alcohol contains practically no potency. The precipitate is dried in vacuo to remove all trace of the alcohol. It is then dissolved in acid water, in which it is readily soluble. The solution is made alkaline with NaOH to PH 7.3 to 7.5. At this alkalinity a dark coloured precipitate settles out, and is immediately centrifuged off. This precipitate is washed once or twice with alkaline water of PH 9.0 and the washings are added to the main liquid. It is important that this process be carried out fairly quickly as Insulin is destroyed in alkaline solution. The acidity is adjusted to PH 5.0 and a white precipitate readily settles out. Tricresol is added to a concentration of 0.3% in order to assist in the isoelectric precipitation and to act as a preservative. After standing one week in the ice chest the supernatant liquid is decanted off and the resultant liquid is removed by centrifuging. The precipitate is then dissolved in a small quantity of acid water. A second isoelectric precipitation is carried out by adjusting the acidity to a PH of approximately 5.0. After standing over night the resultant precipitate is removed by centrifuging. The precipitate, which contains the active principle in a comparatively pure form, is dissolved in acid water and the hydrogen ion concentration adjusted to PH 2.5. The material is carefully tested to determine the potency and is then diluted to the desired strength of 10, 20, 40 or 80 units per c.c. Tricresol is added to secure a concentration of 0.1 percent. Sufficient sodium chloride is added to make the solution isotonic. The Insulin solution is passed through a Mandler filter. After passing through the filter the Insulin is retested carefully to determine its potency. There is practically no loss in berkefelding. The tested Insulin is poured into sterile glass vials with aseptic precautions and the sterility of the final product thoroughly tested by approved methods.
The method of estimating the potency of Insulin solutions is based on the effect that Insulin produces upon the blood sugar of normal animals. Rabbits serve as the test animal. They are starved for twenty four hours before the administration of Insulin. Their weight should be approximately 2 kg. Insulin is distributed in strengths of 10, 20, 40 and 80 units per c.c. The unit is one third of the amount of material required to lower the blood sugar of a 2 kg. rabbit which has fasted twenty four hours from the normal level (0.118 percent) to 0.045 percent over a period of five hours. In a moderately severe case of diabetes one unit causes about 2.5 grammes of carbohydrate to be utilized. In earlier and milder cases, as a rule, one unit has a greater effect, accounting for three to five grammes of carbohydrate.
You can get lab equipment cheap at www.labx.com, just be sure the feds don’t think you are building a dope lab. You can use the same gear for a still, too.
As for BP, practice makes perfect.
Let’s list all the flaws in the ‘Parasite Plan’:
First of all: It is vastly easier to keep something than to take it away.
Are these parasites going to go from house to house searching for who has food? Each time running the risk of dying the process? How long do think they’ll last doing that?
They think they’re badasses – wait to they run into a posse of badasses who don’t take too kindly to murder and theft – sometimes it’s not a good idea to end up being an example to others.
Some preppers grow their own – so much for your grand plan killing off those that would grow you food…… Or are you keep them alive and steal from them every harvest? Yeah, I think that would work… maybe…. let me guess……ONCE!
Others will stash way their food – presenting the same problem to these parasites in waiting.
There’s one thing that is always a societal constant – Criminals and thugs are generally on the lower rungs of the IQ scale.
If this is their idea of prepping, the combined IQ of a group these geniuses wouldn’t add up to a decent hockey score.
As exemplified by this type of SHTF ‘plan’.
Reply from DBrow to Afterguard very clearly mentioned “street thugs”. I DID actually read the article - completely.
It would behoove YOU to look before you spout off.
Do you really think such people will let you live to possibly get revenge some day for stealing all your food?
A lot of naivete on this thread. Having been in a disaster I will tell you that people will join together immediately to provide for their families. Organization is a force multiplier whether for defense or for food acquisition.
Bingo!
People are so hung on the Katrina aftermath they forget about the great exodus of hurricane Floyd in 98’
Thanks MD I’ll keep my eye out for it if its still in print..was never a sci fi reader until I found those 2 guys and liked their books. The title *The mote in God’s eye* was what drew me in....Then Lucifers hammer.....
Yeah and the Rodney King Verdict and OH.... Never mind
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