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Posted on 02/23/2012 11:02:27 PM PST by Lazlo in PA
Today, Presidential candidate Rick Santorum appeared on the Glenn Beck program to discuss the state of the race for the Republican nomination for President of the United States. The tone of the overall exchange was cordial, with Santorum joking at the start, “You know, Glenn, sometimes my wife loves you more than me.”
Still, Glenn warned Santorum that he wouldn’t be gentle in questioning him just because they were friends. “I‘m nobody’s shill,” Glenn said. And indeed, not all of the interview was sweetness and light, as during the second segment, Glenn asked Santorum a tough question on his views about libertarianism, leading to a clash between host and guest.
Santorum said:
“You’ve heard this from me before, the libertarian influence on the conservative movement, I mean, you heard it from Ron Paul last night, I mean there’s — he has a very bad conservative rating. Why? Because the libertarian view is isolationist from a national security point of view, moral issues have no place in the conservative movement…”
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Here are the full screen clips from GBTV for the interview. The first runs 17 minutes, the second runs 12 minutes and the last is about 5.
http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20105517&source=GBTV
http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20105563&topic_id=24584158
http://web.gbtv.com/media/video.jsp?content_id=20105533&topic_id=24584158
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““I think in a lot of areas, libertarians have some legitimate gripes about what’s happened in the conservative movement over the past 30 years,” Santorum said. “But I’m just saying: careful that we don’t transform that movement into something that I would recommend against.””
Saint Rick has probably never thought about these issues too deeply since he’s just a professional politician. Even Ron Paulista is pro-life. I’ve even heard him say that he disbelieves the theory of evolution and believes in creation. Still, other times, he suggests that homosexuality is something one is born with based on his “medical” background and says “everyone is a child of God”. Ron Paul isn’t comprehendable. Whatever the case, a pro-life stance is definitely a libertarian view, since a right to life is necessary to have any rights at all.
Lately, the libertarian movement has degenerated thanks to the Ron Paul and Alex Jones types. There has also been this meme among them that is even, to a certain degree, hostile to religion. The “libertarians” supporting Ron Paul aren’t actually libetartains. They’re people who could just have easily been members of the communist party. They’re pitiful malcontents, obsessed with themselves, filled with self-destructive impulses and a desire to see the world burn. Just like Marx. It’s a truly Satanic impulse. I’ve read many interviews with communist party members, and all of them are quite similar to the average Ron Paul personality if you ever bother to get to know one.
With that said, if Ron Paul wasn’t a communist on foreign policy, he’d be winning this nomination right now. Saint Rick doesn’t understand that the Libertarian view is actually just the conservative view, minus all the delusions about social security or other “necessary” government programs, and a greater desire to see government utterly removed from the life of every American. I remember a few years ago reading discussions about demolishing the police so we could setup private police forces, lol.
Saint Rick is a Catholic, and the Catholic Church has been preaching a social-progressive “gospel” for many many years. He does part way with the Bishops on illegal immigration, but it’s obvious that he has certain religious beliefs/delusions that make it impossible for him to consider demolishing social security and other entitlements, or even consider abolishing the progressive tax code. They really believe that the government should have a role in poverty relief, so they do not oppose an unbalanced tax code . They believe all the platitudes, so they really don’t understand how they’re useful tools to redistribute the wealth. He talks a big game, but he looks at everything through a religious lense and doesn’t really understand conservatism. He likes his platitudes and will stick with them to the end. It’s for the same reason that the Catholic church, at least on a leadership level, is utterly unreliable as allies for our cause. They’ll back us on abortion, but they’ll abandon us on most other fights.
Mark Levin has a running gag where he corners Paulestinians, and reveals that - every single one - sayd they will vote for OBAMA is Ron Paul does not get nominated. That pretty much told me all I needed to know 6 months ago.
The title makes it sound like the two had a big fight! I’m watching now, and so far, it’s a great interview.
He thinks about them all the time. Bother listening to Rick’s speeches on the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence? Probably not I would guess. I generally don’t care about Libertarians in the broad scope of things. I do not want them to have any Presidential power though. Read some Murray Rothbard, Lew Rockwell or some vintage Ron Paul to see how out of step this ideology is and that they are not Conservatives, they hate Conservatives. It is about time someone stands up and make the delineation between the two. I have no interest in the whole “If it feels good do it” party.
BTW, I notice you were sprinkling a bit of your hatred of Catholics in your long long long screed.
I thought the same thing about the title. I think it was a little sensationalism on Beck’s part.
Everyone IS a child of God.
ICK.
Can’t believe I just agreed with Ron Paul on anything!
Hah!!
Its just a matter of time (probably not that much) until Beck has some issue with Santorum that he just cannot overlook, and suddenly he will have no alternative but to support his brother Mormon, the Bishop Mitt Romney.
He will then have good standing in Salt Lake City along with the other 98% of Mormons who support Romney simply because he is Mormon.
“He thinks about them all the time. Bother listening to Rick’s speeches on the difference between the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence? Probably not I would guess.”
I’ve never heard anything really substantial from him, especially when it comes to solutions. Anyone can copy winning rhetoric that is popular (which libertarian/conservative philosophy is), but actually doing something with it is something else entirely. I’ve never actually heard Santorum define conservatism or libertarianism. He throws out all these family and social issues talking points, and also stuff about “getting government out of our way”, but he does not define what “getting out of the way” actually means or what he’ll do to accomplish that. If he does believe it, why does Santorum not support a form of the fair or flat taxes? Why does Santorum not favor privatization of social security, even though we have both the strength of argument and the momentum to do it? Why does he not support a myriad of good “libertarian” (really, conservative) issues that would do a lot of good for the country? He does offer a Balanced Budget amendment, but it seems more like something he throws out there to compensate for the vacuum that is his platform.
If you look at Herman Cain’s campaign, you would understand the power of actually “acting on a philosophy” provides. Your rejection of it shows you do not really comprehend the message or the popular support most Libertarian ideas, outside of the Ron Paul heresies on foreign policy, have with the country at large.
Ron Paul could have been a great contender, since a lot of what he says makes a lot of logical sense. It’s a new way of thinking of things that has the ideological strength to really abolish the leftist progressive agenda. His problem is that he is very literally a dupe of the Russians and Islamists. Nevertheless, at least on most domestic issues, libertarian philosophy is already the fundamental part of Tea Party thinking. You need to put a wet finger in the air and feel the direction of the wind. The wind tells me that great and “radical” ideas stand the best chance of winning, because they can unite us not just against Obama, but even AFTER Obama is gone. Once our common enemy is gone, we’ll lose the good Mojo which makes it possible for us to push real reform to begin with. We need something beyond a common enemy to unite the party for generations to come. Championing big ideas is the way to go about it. Championing radical reform is the only way to make our movement a living one.
Santorum, honestly, doesn’t have anything worth fighting for beyond the social and religious issues. That’s a problem. You want us all here to fall in love with Santorum’s personality or perception of character, but I’ve never seen a Santorum supporter ever applaud Santorum for some idea in his actual platform. That’s a sign.
Personality platforms only work on the short term. There is no staying power, and the problems facing this country are so big that we can’t sacrifice ourselves on the altar of personality again for another candidate. We did that for Bush. Liberals did that for Obama. It’s what drives our politics. It’s what’s keeping us on this downward spiral to begin with.
As for your crack about Catholicism. If I “hated Catholics”, I wouldn’t be supporting Newt Gingrich. Your bigotry and lack of real thinking skills is profound. And all that I said is true regarding them. It is no secret that the leadership of the Catholic Church in the U.S. and Europe has been embracing a social-progressive message for many decades. There are few “conservative” Bishops who truly fight back against it. Many of them are in bed with the illegals and with the libs on many issues. There is definitely a philosophical theme with many modern Catholic teachings that promotes this embrace of the platitudes Libs preach all the time. The Pope opposed the war in Iraq, accepting the leftist propaganda on this issue. They’re also against the death penalty, soft on gun rights, and many other issues, primarily due to the cultural damage they’ve received from the sex abuse scandals. They’re afraid to get into real fights that make them look bad since they dislike bad press. Their instinct is to play along to get along, which, interestingly, is also Santorum’s instinct. If not for contraception or abortion, no one would wink at the weakness of Catholic leadership and pretend it is not there to everyone else. It’s simply a reality. The idea that the Catholic Church is a bastion of conservative politics is quite silly.
“Everyone IS a child of God.
ICK.
Can’t believe I just agreed with Ron Paul on anything!”
It’s the type of thing you say while holding hands and dancing in a circle around Barney the Dinosaur. He said it in response to a question if homosexuality was a sin or not.
That line right there should get your bigoted a$$ Zotted out of here. Equating a mans religious beliefs God as a "delusions" has no place here. I have had enough of your slams of Rick in this manor. I haven't yet in my time here, but it would be justifiable to push the Abuse button for that.
Barney is pretty good on morals in general. About like Sesame Street used to be.
Homosexuals are still the children of God. They simply turned away from their Father. We all know kids like that. Unfortunately, they are just like the 3 year olds who weakly attempt to punish their Father by causing a fuss in public.
Steady FRiend. And yes, I consider you so.
You should see Apollo on some of the religion threads ....
Mark Levin has said that we can’t do away with Social Security entirely. Tonight, he also spoke at length about Ron Paul, his mentor, William F. Buckley’s attitude towards them, and that Ron is of an offshoot of libertarianism. He called him a libertarian anarchist.
The podcast is well worth listening to. Levin was excellent.
“That line right there should get your bigoted a$$ Zotted out of here. Equating a mans religious beliefs God as a “delusions” has no place here. I have had enough of your slams of Rick in this manor. I haven’t yet in my time here, but it would be justifiable to push the Abuse button for that.”
You really don’t have any cards to play. If you don’t like what I say, take it up also with Michael Voris, a good conservative Catholic who has been all over the social-progressive Gospel and its more blatant brother, liberation theology, that has made major inroads within the Catholic Church for decades now. There is no biblical or moral requirement to be a backer of Unions or entitlements because it is the “Catholic thing to do”. You are so vacuous that personal attacks against someone’s character is all you’ve got. If anyone should be zotted, it is you and your propaganda machine for Saint Rick. You constantly revert to emotionalism while backing your guy, even though I’ve given you hundreds of opportunities to actually engage in some real analysis here. You offer no substance, only scorn, talking points, accusations, and emotional appeals.
Evidently, you didn’t watch the interview.
I applaud Santorum’s “Made in America” idea of 0% taxes for manufacturers. We must rebuild our manufacturing base.
“Mark Levin has said that we can’t do away with Social Security entirely. Tonight, he also spoke at length about Ron Paul, his mentor, William F. Buckley’s attitude towards them, and that Ron is of an offshoot of libertarianism. He called him a libertarian anarchist.”
I agree that Ron Paulista is definitely on the weird end of libertarianism and doesn’t represent what I remember from years past. The Ron Paul supporters of today are nothing like the Libertarians I remember from years past. However, I think the real problem is not “anarchism”, but an embrace of men like Alex Jones and other hateful conspiracies which has led them down this path of wanting to burn the whole place down.
As for social security. I haven’t listened to Levin for awhile, but social security should be eliminated. You can’t make it all disappear at once, but at least offering young workers the option to switch to a private account is a good step in the right direction. As things stand right now, social security has no long term future. The government also should not be saving for your retirement, which in reality many of us will probably never see any of that money anyway. It’s a giant ponzi scheme that will forever be collapsing, as the demands can only grow and grow, and the returns grow less and less.
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