Posted on 02/27/2012 5:24:35 AM PST by shortstop
Kiss it good bye.
It’s time to pack the truck and leave these savages to themselves.
Adios Afghanistan. Screw you very much.
After a decade of our blood and treasure being poured into their hellhole, our allies are our enemies, Afghanistan is still a sewer, and there is no light at the end of the tunnel.
We won in Afghanistan years ago – we deposed the Taliban and chased out Al Qaida – and since then we’ve been spilling our blood for people who hate us, throwing our money at people who rob us, and destabilizing our future for a nation that isn’t a nation.
It’s time to case the colors and come home.
Afghanistan II is Obama’s Iraq and it didn’t work. We have learned yet again that nation building is a fool’s errand, that you can’t impose civilization on an uncivilized people, and that the only country we should be underwriting is the United States of America.
Over the weekend, in some crap hole of a government ministry building, completely paid for by the American taxpayer, one of our dear allies opened up on two of our officers. One more in an interminable line of good guys getting greased by our coalition partners.
We’ve been training them for a decade. We’ve been supplying them with bullets and beans, but we can’t buy them brains. And we can’t buy them consciences, and we can’t buy them out of the Dark Ages which engulf that whole region.
Our entire operating premise – to win hearts and minds – is failed. It is ill-conceived and doomed. From the jungles of Vietnam to the back alleys of Iraq and the mountains of Afghanistan, we can’t kiss enough arse, we can’t write enough checks, we can’t issue enough apologies. We will never win a war by groveling for peace.
Because, no matter what the generals say, it’s not about building schools and clinics. It’s not about putting in wells and wires, it’s about killing the other guy and breaking the will of his society.
It’s about blowing him to hell and leaving the next guy shaking in his boots so bad that he throws down his gun and runs. Peace is on the other side of victory, and victory comes from smashing the living snot out of any person, nation, culture, tribe, organization or religion that dares look at you cross-eyed.
The last general who understood that was a guy named Patton. The last president was his commander in chief, Franklin Roosevelt.
Since then, from Korea to Kandahar, we have fought in half measures, tethered by inanities called “rules of engagement,” lacking the national will to claim victory, much less do what is necessary to secure it. We have had the best warriors, and the worst leaders, from political generals to castrato presidents. We have won on the battlefield and lost in the conference room, and an unfolding era of technology and legality traps our warriors between enemies in the front and referees in the back. Our GIs can survive the battlefield, but not the courtroom, and the lessons of history lie ignored while we dissipate our national security in undeclared, unnecessary wars.
It’s time to come home.
Because if some accidentally burned books turns this entire society against us, if a decade’s investment has not bought us any good will or them any good sense, then it’s not worthwhile. It’s not working. Their military and police are fools in starched uniforms, lacking both discipline and basic intelligence. Afghanistan is today no more a stable, modern nation than it was before the first American arrived in late 2001.
We tried. It didn’t work. Screw ‘em. Let’s come home.
Or let’s be men and kick in the afterburners.
Either roll some thunder across this opium-growing cesspool and get these savages’ attention, or kiss the whole mess good bye. Simply put: Go big, or go home.
Be a superpower, or be a spectator, but don’t keep bleeding our military by dithering in the no-man’s-land in between. The question of life is “Is you is, or is you ain’t?” And, in Afghanistan, we ain’t.
And we shouldn’t be there.
The last week has shown us that.
Again.
We must robustly defend our nation and our national interests. We must have a strong defense and the grit to use it.
And we must stay out of the quicksand.
To hell with Afghanistan.
Obama’s War. Shout it from the rooftops.
My guess is the Koran burning spectacle was planned from the beginning, this is all part of the islamafication of the world plan ...
Wait till we lose the 2012 election, you ain’t seen nothin’ yet as compared to what is coming.
I said it on another thread but repeat it:
Since Obama took over the management of the Afghan War, 37 months ago, 1,836 Coalition troops have been killed. During the 87 months under the Bush Administration, 1,069 military were killed.
During the election campaign Obama was preaching that we weren’t focusing enough effort on the Afghan War and he bragged that he would.
I think he NOW is trying to get out of this war before his Administration is responsible for the deaths of TWICE as many Coalition troops in Afghanistan as was Bush. At the historic monthly average of fifty Coalition troop deaths under Obama, he has six months to get out, longer if he lessen their combat exposure.
The election day is eight months away.
how ‘bout we level what poor excuses for cities, they have, from the air, then wave the bird at ‘em as we leave them to their own devices....
Pull our people out and then nuke the bastards!
We don’t starch uniforms anymore...
And another piece of information:
US SAYS IT’S STEADFAST IN REBUILDING AFGHANISTAN
By ANNE FLAHERTY, Associated Press – 13 hours ago
WASHINGTON (AP) — The top U.S. diplomat in Kabul and A CAMPAIGN ADVISOR to President Barack Obama said Sunday the U.S. isn’t rethinking its commitment to Afghanistan after violent protests left more than two dozen people dead, including two Americans shot inside a government ministry.
U.S. Ambassador Ryan Crocker and ROBERT GIBBS , OBAMA’S FORMER PRESS SECRETARY, said they believe Afghan President Hamid Karzai’s fragile government could collapse and the Taliban would regain power if the U.S. were to walk away.
(emphasis provided)
Gibbs????enough to make you sick to your stomach!!!
Exactly. There was a reason we were fighting and drawing the enemy into Iraq and didn't go full bear in Afghanistan. For political expedience, obama decided to step up the fight in Afghanistan to make it look like he was fighting the "right" war. As a result, he messed up the progress our troops made on both fronts.
amen and amen
When you’re wounded and left on Afghanistan’s plains,
And the women come out to cut up what remains,
Jest roll to your rifle and blow out your brains
An’ go to your Gawd like a soldier.
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
Go, go, go like a soldier,
So-oldier ~of~ the Queen
——Kipling
As I said on another thread, we should bomb our way out of there forthwith. Put to flame anything that moves and vacate. Now. Screw them... and NEVER.. EVER.. so much as a single drop of American blood for muslim filth!
We achieved our military objective by early 2002 and should’ve been out of there long ago.
Lonsberry is spot on, adsodadgumlutely right. When our leaders can't even muster the courage to call our enemies by their names, we are destined to spend our treasure and our sons' lives into bankruptcy and defeat.
or at least put those 3000 drones over there that Obama thinks he needs to control us
I enlisted during Vietnam at age 17.
I’ve NEVER said we should leave anywhere.
We should leave Afghanistan and nail our enemies from the air.
Drones and other.
Probably so. Oh -- effing -- well.
We have been trying to reuse the “Marshall Plan” model for decades. While it frequently works, it doesn’t always. It seems that the majority of the Afghan people want to keep living the way their ancestors did 1000 years ago. Fine.
For these cases, we need another model. I favor just cordoning them off from the rest of the world and let them live like savages. No troops, no diplomats, no infrastructure. Just let ‘em stew in the own pig sty. But monitor it closely from above. And bomb the crap out of any Al Qaeda stronghold they manage to construct there.
The key as I can see it is not to let the extremists claim they are forcing us out but make it clear that we are leaving voluntarily. The threat of the return of American involvement with air attacks if they openly support terrorist training camps should be made plain. Odumba can’t make this look like a surrender.
We have to stay. Al Qaida will move right back in if we leave.
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