Posted on 03/13/2012 3:39:58 PM PDT by rxsid
I totally got it now. I hadn’t read that the missing arrival info was specifically arriving to HI.
Exactamundo.
So the Roman fellow is actually a US citizen, dual citizen probably. That is, if Anna is or was a US citizen, rather than a citizen of the PI.
One other question (with parts) rattling around in my head like a lonely marble.
I wonder how old Zero was when he arrived in HI. Were he and the boy now known as Roman companions for long? Was Roman whisked away quite soon after Zero arrived? And in the photo of the two boys, Zero looks quite a bit younger than the first extant photos of him and Stanley. I wonder who was taking care of him from Aug. 1961 until 1964 and the “divorce” that gave Stanley custody?
He's the genuine article, the original one and only BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA 11, he's the boy Zeituni says she remembers the kenyan writing home about, to tell the clan that he was married in the US and had a SON!
He's the boy shown in the family group of four, when he's about four years old and Mark is much younger, in a family photograph taken in Kenya. He's the boy Malik remembers growing up with in the village. He's the son of the kenyan whom the locals saw AT THE FUNERAL OF HIS FATHER.
Ooh, another rattling question.
I wonder why “they” didn’t just give Zero the original BHO’s birth certificate. And make something up for the original BHO. Could they possibly have had “plans” for Zero at that time; they must have had some kind of plans, for all that subterfuge already.
http://www.mcso.org/MultiMedia/PressRelease/Sheriffreleasesobamafindings.pdf
the details of the missing records are at the above link, I just checked, that report does NOT refer specifically to Hawaii, although I am hesitant to say I am in error. I did see a report that supposedly came from another source (maybe WND) that related the missing records to HAWAII.
As for the rest of your question, I cannot be specific. The dark boy was older, they were in the same place together and that is all that image can tell us.
The problem with this reasoning is that it doesn’t distinguish between what the State Health Departments did and what the CDC did. TABULATIONS were done by the CDC, and the requirements he talks about were in regards to TABULATIONS, not reporting on actual birth certificates. The standard 1961 birth certificate has a place to list the location of the birth and several questions to determine how to classify the mother’s residence. The residence questions were for the sake of the CDC’s TABULATIONS. Nowhere is it said that the Island/County of Birth field on the BC doesn’t mean the actual birth place. Both the birth place and the mother’s residence were supposed to be listed accurately - but the CDC based most of their tables on the mother’s place of residence rather than place of birth (as indicated by the headings for each table). The CDC COULD HAVE bases their tables on either one because both were supposed to be accurately reported in the appropriate place on the standard BC.
So when the CDC stuff talks about the location of birth being gradually used less, it’s talking about how the CDC TABULATED and reported the statistics, not what was actually reported on the BC’s they got the raw data from.
The same mistake was made in the first report in this series. It was assumed that the HDOH sorted out the BC’s by geographic code, but the 1961 Natality Report says that the CDC (not the state health departments) did all the CDC coding themselves, based on actual copies of the BC’s that they received from the health departments. The HDOH didn’t do any coding for the CDC in 1961. They just collected BC’s that had the information that the CDC wanted to be able to analyze.
It was Blazing Saddles. It might have been in History of the World Part 1 but, Cleavon Little did utter the words, “And gone!” after someone said ,”The jig is up.” I am too tired to find the video but here are a couple of links:
http://www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/55/messages/720.html
http://www.fiddlehangout.com/archive/15030
Tracking flights, searching for genuine and original cocuments has gotten nowhere.
This is credible
Football Proves Obama’s Birth Certificate Is A Fake
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com/2012/03/football-proves-obamas-long-form-birth.html
But when it came to custody, that birth certificate didn't work, it had the name of the mother on it and a birthdate that placed Stanley Ann Dunham still in high school when that birthday would have shown conception took place.
Adjustments were required...and made. I suppose technically, she got custody of the boy who grew up to go to the Lumumba University, but his birthdate might raise eyebrows...it's there, on the Search Document the PI supplied, JANUARY 8, 1961.
He came from Equatorial Guinea, just like the Lumumba law student, who was 31 years of age in 1992 when he was interviewed. Why Equatorial Guinea? Well, he could hardly hang around the village in Kogelo Kenya, after the clan accepted zero as the long lost son of you know who...could he?
And as a bonus, he's the spitting image of the kenyan-son of-a-goat-herder...
He added EKUA to his name - in swahili that means PUSHED OR SHOVED ASIDE. But he is shown as ROMAN OBAMA in his position with the World Bank.
Yes indeed. The part I had wondered about was if the dock photo showed Anna Obama (?) and the Kenyan arriving with a baby from another country, but it sounds as though the original BHO was indeed born in the US...
What do you think of this? Fruitcake?
http://obamareleaseyourrecords.blogspot.com.au/2011/08/person-in-hawaii-claims-he-obtained-pan.html
See WND story on BHO Sr’s 1962 letter in the Hoover (Stanford) archive to Tom Mboya:
http://www.wnd.com/2010/11/226349/
“You know my wife is in Nairobi there and I would really appreciate any help you may give her.”
I have wondered about the clan accepting Zero, since they must have know he was NOT the son of the Kenyan, since the real son of the Kenyan had lived around at least some of them, looked like the Kenyan, and Zero looks nothing like him. Do they really think Zero is the real BHO or was it money talking?
Ah, I didn’t know the real birthdate for the real BHO had been discovered; fits perfectly in with Mary’s memory.
World Bank, they had to give him stuff to shut him up, I suppose.
1. The more I look/study Obama's mother's signature on the long form birth certificate---especially when I look at an enlarged or zoomed in signature---the more I believe that the way it sits in that narrow space is just not normal.
2. For instance, the signature does not sit or touch the line.
3. Not only does it not sit on the line, but the very tiny space between the letters and the bottom line is unnaturally the same all along the line except for the "A" in "Ann."
4. NOTE: Look at the first “n” in “Ann” and then look at the “m” in “Obama”.
5. To me, the two letters are the same distance from the line even though the two letters are several letters apart: One is at the beginning of the signature, while the other one is at the end of the signature.
6. In my opinion, it would be humanly impossible for Obama’s mother---or anyone else for that matter----to write her name “Ann Dunham Obama” in that space and magically keep the pen from touching the line and also keep the space between the bottom of the letters and the line uniform throughout the length of the signature “Ann Dunham Obama.”
7. To accomplish the above---not touching the line and keeping the same distance between the letters and the line throughout the length of the signature---she would have had to possess one of the steadiest hands known to man in order for her to keep her pen steady as she wrote “Ann Dunham Obama” in that narrow space and, at the same time, avoid touching the line.
8. Other Documents: Compare Stanley's signature to her signatures on other documents, and you will see that she does what many of us do: She writes on the line and uses the line as a guide to write her name.
9. In fact, in a few instances in the other signatures, Stanley's signature goes below the line, which, in my opinion, is a natural thing to do when one writes his/her name in a narrow space on an application form of any kind.
10. Social Security application signature: In this signature, Stanley writes her name well in the center of the space, and she does not touch the bottom or top line in the space where an applicant writes his/her name; however, there is a lot of visible space between the bottom of the letters and the bottom line, a lot more space than the very tiny space between the bottom of the letters and the bottom line on the long form birth certificate that one can barely see with the naked eye until the signature is enlarged.
11. I tried this little experiment: I took writing paper with lines on it and carefully wrote "Stanley Ann Dunham" and my own name.
12. I purposely tried to avoid the bottom line on the space on the paper, and I succeeded, but, again, I was trying to avoid the line on purpose. On the other hand, I don’t think that Obama’s mother would have worried about not touching the line like I did if she truly signed the long form birth certificate.
13. However, in my experiment, the space between the line and the bottom of my letters was much greater than the very tiny space between the bottom of the letters and bottom line that we find on the long form birth certificate.
14. Also, the space between the letters and bottom line in my experiment was not as uniform as the space between the letters and the line of Obama’s mother’s signature.
15. Again, look at Stanley's other signatures that can be found on the internet: As far as I can tell, Stanley wrote on the lines and used the lines as a guide to write her name in the space, something that many of us normally do.
16 . Nordyke twins' mother's signature: Look at the mother's signature on the Nordyke twins birth certificate: You will see how the twins' mother wrote her name on the line, which is something that many of us would do.
17. Also look at the two signatures just below Obama's mother’s signature: I think they are “Dr. Sinclair” and the registrar.
18. Both of these signatures hug or sit on the line, because the persons did what many of us do: They used the line as a guide to help them write their names in the small space.
19. As I said earlier, I don't believe that it would have been humanly possible for Stanley---or anyone else---to write her name so close to the line without touching the line in several places, because in other samples of her signature on the internet, she touched the line when she signed her name, which is something many of us do when we sign documents.
20. Is the signature a fake? I say yes.
...were lawfully married in Wailuku, Maui, State of Hawaii, on February 2, 1961...
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So they got married just about 6 months before BHO the younger was born.
Pong for later.
Starwise, can you give me a cliff notes version? This is what I get for doing Chemistry homework almost all day.
It’s frustrating that the dock image is just about useless for dating anything, some of the people in it have obviously been added, they don’t belong to a group that includes dock workers and the numerous lei on the kenyan are obvious fakes. I’m inclined to just remember it exists, but I don’t see it as telling us anything conclusive...but the girl with her arm around the kenyan looks a lot like the girl at the Nachmannofs.
Probably why the airline arrival records are missing for that week.
That letter to Mboya is unfortunately part of the collection of CORA WEISS - at Stanford, it’s the only one that has been released, two paragraphs of which first appeared on Hoover Archivist Musings in 2010:
http://hooverinstitutionla.blogspot.com.au/2010/02/six-degrees-of-separation.html
If you want to see any more of the Mboya correspondence, you need to make an appointment personally with Cora. She’s the one who insisted that the kenyan was part of the first airlift, which both she and Malcolm X met at Idlewild Airport in September 1959, AFTER THE KENYAN WAS ALREADY INSTALLED IN HAWAII.
When forced to recant, she explained it away by saying that although the kenyan did not arrive on the first airlift, he came on a PARALLEL flight.
I wouldn’t trust that woman as far as I could throw her, therefor I don’t believe the additional paragraphs of that letter.
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