Posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:19 PM PDT by Red Steel
My homepage was so far over on the right side of the page that it must have fallen of the edge. I'm still looking for it in the abyss.
I didn't keep a record of that information, sorry.
ROFLMAO
Someone did quite a bit of research on the planes that left Mombassa during that time. Remember that there was a British Air flight that went from Mombassa to Vancouver through Glasscow. AND, that the airlines often let soldiers, students, and missionaries fill up the flights.
Maybe David or Lucy will remember something.
Was the info on the long thread and/or the colonist thread?
And in order for you to believe that, you are assuming someone would take them with going to their superiors. Who would their superiors be? The courts won't/aren't allowed/don't even want to take it on.
You keep bringing up conspiracy, that's a key right there. It's not but is/could be out and out fraudulent. You, for reasons one could suspect, want to keep it in the conspiracy column.
If there was such a conspiracy, it cannot hold for very long. Even the Mafia turns on itself time after time.
Besides being wrong, there you go, again, with your 'conspiracy' mantra. Ever hear of family secrets going to the grave? Ever hear of Gotti? Ever hear 'if I tell you, I have to kill you.' So your 'time after time' is bogus as is your 'conspiracy' mantra.
And then if secrets where revealed, and perhaps they have been - you'd be saying it's 'conspiracy hearsay'. Right now you are in a 'lets drop it and wait for a secret to come out' stance. You don't play the game good.
IMO, I think the pix you insert in your posts is a conspiracy. But I'm not taken in by it.
'The British are coming, the British are coming'! "That's a conspiracy, I see no one coming, except the nut on a horse". God Bless the Patriots.
I would like to respond one more time to allegation that I am "naïve."
I'm not saying you are 'native' - far from it! Although, it might be a better option. But pride and all that jazz.
A Suggested Narrative – How Obama is physically Born in Kenya but still Obtains Hawaiian Birth Registration Record: http://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2012/03/04/a-suggested-narrative-how-obama-is-born-in-kenya-and-has-hawaiian-birth-registration-record/
Was thinking the long thread....It was the first one wasn’t it?
Have spent some time reading but not enough.
Are you feeling Cancer? I don’t know. It’s a little bit harder to see “wateriness” in eyes that are not blue. I don’t get a Cancer vibe either. But I am not at all positioning myself as an expert. I could be wrong - what do I know? My sense of him is that he is in the Yang hemisphere - air or fire. Only it is not Leo. I don’t think so. Leo is one of the most easily visually recognizable signs. Usually, when I am told that someone is a Leo, I say right away: “But of course, I see it now.” Sometimes I even recognize a Leo right away. They always have something feline about their faces. And the energy they exude is very special. It’s hard to explain - something along the lines of calm confidence.
I hope I am not irritating people on this board unduly with my astrology talk. It’s only that we have so little information that we can get to with conventional methods. This means that we should try unconventional methods. I believe that there is something like an information field we are “plugged into.” All the information, even hidden one, is available to us. We just need to tune into it, like a radio.
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ping to CDR Kerchner’s post suggesting a narrative for Barry...
But the birth certificate would still indicate the actual place of his birth.
The Daily Pen articles have confused the issues of what the CDC does internally and what the state Depts of Health do. For instance, the claim that the “Place of Birth” on the birth certificate is listed as wherever the mother’s residence is. The birth certificates have a place for both mother’s residence and the location of the child’s birth. If not then you could end up with somebody having a BC from Kapiolani Hospital that supposedly happened in Lincoln, Nebraska (and there is no Kapiolani Hospital in Lincoln, NE).
The CDC in 1961 (according to their own records) received microfilms of the actual BC’s from all but 2 (IIRC) states. Those BC’s were prepared according to the states’ standards - most of the states, however, including all the items that the CDC recommended - which includes both the place of birth and questions about the mother’s residency (actual address and whether it was on a farm or plantation, for instance). The state health depts did not code anything. They just accepted the records from the registrars. They had nothing to do with the CDC’s internal codes, processing, or anything else.
When the CDC got the BC’s THEY (the CDC) coded the information using their own internal coding system. Because they wanted to tabulate (make tables) out of the data, they put both the birth place and the mother’s residency into different codes for use in their tables. Some of their tables sorted information by birth location and some sorted by the residence of the mother. Because they processed info from all over the country and figured that where the mother was living was where the child and mother would normally be living, most of their tables eventually sorted by mother’s residence. That’s because the health tracking the CDC was interested in doing was an issue totally separate from citizenship issues, etc. To track ongoing health issues, the important issue was where mother and child were LIVING, not where the child was born.
The Daily Pen has had repeated articles where it is claimed that the CDC’s internal codes govern how the state health departments actually made out their birth certificates - even to the point of saying that the BC’s would say that a BIRTH LOCATION was in Nebraska even if it was a Kapiolani BC. That is just absurd.
We can look at the processing manual for current BC’s to see the criteria for determining the County of Birth, etc, and it has nothing to do with the RESIDENCY of the mother.
This article is claiming that if a US citizen whose residence was Hawaii had her baby in Kenya, she could get a certificate of US citizenship for her child and then use that certificate to get Hawaii to issue a birth certificate saying that the child was actually born at Kapiolani Hospital in Honolulu because she’s a resident of Hawaii. The claim rests on the idea that Hawaii BC’s use mother’s residence to determine the location of the birth - which is mixing up the CDC’s job and internal protocols with the HDOH’s job and protocols.
If what the Daily Pen claims was actually the case there would be no need for Obama to forge anything.
I’ve been frustrated by The Daily Pen articles because they make conclusions that are not supported by the actual documents/records. This article is one example, but others have been similar.
For instance, the claim that the order of the birth announcements in the newspaper tells us what BC# was given. Anybody who’s analyzed the birth announcements knows that cannot be true because some births were announced in one paper 3 weeks before they were announced in the other paper. Some never were announced in the paper (like Virginia Sunahara). And some were announced in only one of the papers (the Nordyke twins).
Another example: that the BC’s were collected for a while and then sorted by location before being numbered. That’s the theory of John Woodman to try to explain away the BC# discrepancies and it dovetails with what The Daily Pen is claiming. Trouble is that Janice Okubo has said in a UIPA response that the HDOH almost always numbered BC’s the day the local registrar received them “date filed”, because most BC’s were from Oahu. Only on the outlying islands were BC’s collected for a month and then mailed to the HDOH for numbering. And that is what the law says was supposed to happen. Oahu registrars were to collect BC’s for a week and then submit them to the HDOH. So what The Daily Pen is saying contradicts what the HDOH has said. Which wouldn’t necessarily make them wrong, since the HDOh has been known to lie. But it turns out that the BC’s announced in the newspapers don’t fit the geographic numbering scheme proposed by Woodman or The Daily Pen.
Ultimately we’re not going to know what happened until we are able to audit the records and find out when (if ever) the HDOH has told us the truth about the records they have for Obama. Were Ann and Sr married? We don’t know. Was Obama a US citizen because he was born to a single Ann in Kenya or somewhere else? We don’t know. Was Obama reported by Madelyn Dunham as being born in Hawaii? We don’t know.
But what we can reasonably surmise is that there is a problem with Obama’s birth record, because if there wasn’t we wouldn’t be seeing the forgeries and the law-breaking by even government agencies.
I can’t see the embedded documents in this report well enough to know if they say that there was one person born in Kenya who was certified as a US citizen because he/she was born to a US citizen between July 1, 1961 and Aug 30, 1962. If there was and Ann was not even claiming to be married to Sr at that time, then Obama Jr could be the person referred to. But that would not get him a legitimate BC from Hawaii saying that he was born at Kapiolani Hospital in Hawaii.
It’s been said that the 1980-ish law that allowed HI BC’s to be created for any child whose parents were HI residents for a year before the birth existed before that law was passed, by virtue of the Certificate of Hawaiian Birth option. But COHB’s had to be registered a year or more after the birth and had a totally different form and numbering to them. If a person had a COHB from 1961 and wanted to be able to get any printout from Hawaii they would have to surrender their COHB and convert their birth record to a LATE birth certificate. The BC# would have an L in front of it, the form itself would be different than a standard BC, and any printout (CertificaTION of Live Birth) would have DELAYED stamped on it. It would also not be prima facie evidence in a court of law.
Articles at The Daily Pen have claimed that the LOCATION OF BIRTH field on Hawaii birth certificates was based on the residency of the mother. As far as I can tell this is not true. Residency of the mother was used by the CDC to sort and calculate their statistics but that was all done internally by the CDC and had no impact on how the hospitals and/or HDOH filled in the data on the actual BC’s.
As far as I know there are no rules or laws in Hawaii that allow someone born in a different state or country to get a BC that falsely lists the place of birth as Hawaii. Not even for foreign-born children who are adopted in the US. Through lying and/or HDOH corruption this could happen, but not legally. For instance, late birth certificates including Certificates of Hawaiian Birth could be issued if the Lt Gov (?) was “convinced” by the evidence presented, so a corrupt official had the discretion to create BC’s at will. But those late BC’s have to be marked as DELAYED, the COHB’s are a different form and COLB’s can’t be made from them, and neither are prima facie evidence.
Later on, in 1982, a law was added to allow those born outside the state to get a HI BC if their parents while living outside the state had actually declared HI to be their residence for at least a year before the birth. Nowhere does it say that “Hawaii BC” means a BC saying that Hawaii was the birthplace. But having that provision makes a way for corrupt officials to accept lies about a birthplace, depending on the documentation that was or wasn’t required to prove the claim for the birth place.
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