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Gun enthusiasts start defense fund for George Zimmerman
KDAF-TV ^ | March 29, 2012 | Henry Pierson Curtis

Posted on 03/29/2012 2:29:49 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

A firearms website created by some Tampa gun enthusiasts announced today it is collecting money to help pay for George Zimmerman's legal defense.

Christopher Kossmann, 23, and three friends founded Legal Boom: Gun law for the Gunshine State last year to explain Florida's self-defense laws, he said.

Describing legalboom.org as a "hobbyist website," Kossman said none of the members are lawyers and they pay expenses out of their pockets. He has not met Zimmerman, 28, but is trying to reach his attorney, Craig Sonner of Altamonte Springs to discuss the fundraising effort.

Zimmerman told Sanford police he killed Trayvon Martin, 17, in self defense on Feb. 26. The death of the unarmed teen prompted a nationwide controversy and the killing remains under investigation by a special prosecutor.

"Legalboom.org is officially accepting donations to help Zimmerman through what is undoubtedly the hardest time in his life and for his legal defense," the website states. "If you feel this article has changed your views or you already had this inclination please show your support!"

Kossmann said the public will have to trust him to deliver all money raised for Zimmerman in the absence of an accountant, non-profit status and other common features of organized fundraising efforts.


TOPICS: Hobbies; Politics; Sports
KEYWORDS: banglist; blackkk; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
Pictures: Trayvon Martin through the years http://www.the33tv.com/news/os-trayvon-martin-pictures-20120328,0,6299564.photogallery
1 posted on 03/29/2012 2:29:58 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

http://Legalboom.org/


2 posted on 03/29/2012 2:33:45 PM PDT by Clint N. Suhks
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is not a good idea. If Zimmerman gets off, it will make it only harder for responsible gunowners and CCW’ers. The laws are fine. Zimmerman’s judgement is the problem.


3 posted on 03/29/2012 2:35:26 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Bizhvywt

You mean self-defense is not good judgment? What facts do you have that the police don’t about this case to make that assertion?


4 posted on 03/29/2012 2:42:21 PM PDT by kabar
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To: kabar

“Zimmerman’s judgement is the problem.”

So you were an eye witness?


5 posted on 03/29/2012 2:46:49 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Bizhvywt

I’m reserving judgement on this incident until all the facts are public. I encourage everyone to do the same. You and I have no idea what happened that night. Don’t believe the presstitutes, they have an obvious agenda.


6 posted on 03/29/2012 2:47:51 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Bizhvywt

Actually, Martin’s judgement, or lack of it, was the problem.


7 posted on 03/29/2012 2:47:51 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Okieshooter

Did you hear that the enemedia disclosed the name of a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD witness?!


8 posted on 03/29/2012 2:49:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is something that’s bound to happen more and more often as thugs begin beating innocent people for fun more frequently and as the innocent begin to arm themselves with CCW.

Jesse and Sharpton are going to scream bloody murder every time one of their thugs are taken out. We’ve got to fight back (legally and with our support) every time this happens.


9 posted on 03/29/2012 2:55:31 PM PDT by MNDude
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To: Okieshooter
So you were an eye witness?

No, I am relying on the police who investigated the matter. Until someone proves differently, Zimmerman acted in self-defense based on the police investigation into the matter. I am not questioning Zimmerman's judgment. And there are eyewitnesses to the struggle that took place.

"When the Sanford Police Department arrived at the scene of the incident, Mr. Zimmerman provided a statement claiming he acted in self defense which at the time was supported byphysical evidence and testimony. By Florida Statute, law enforcement was PROHIBITED frommaking an arrest based on the facts and circumstances they had at the time. Additionally, whenany police officer makes an arrest for any reason, the officer MUST swear and affirm that he/sheis making the arrest in good faith and with probable cause. If the arrest is done maliciously andin bad faith, the officer and the City may be held liable. According to Florida Statute 776.032 :776.032

Immunity from criminal prosecution and civil action for justifiable use of force.—

(1)A person who uses force as permitted in s.776.012, s.776.013, or s.776.031is justified in using such force and is immune from criminal prosecution and civil action forthe use of such force, unless the person against whom force was used is a lawenforcement officer, as defined in s.943.10(14), who was acting in the performance of his or her official duties and the officer identified himself or herself in accordance withany applicable law or the person using force knew or reasonably should have known thatthe person was a law enforcement officer. As used in this subsection, the term “criminalprosecution” includes arresting, detaining in custody, and charging or prosecuting thedefendant.

(2)A law enforcement agency may use standard procedures for investigating the use of force as described in subsection (1), but the agency may not arrest the person for usingforce unless it determines that there is probable cause that the force that was used wasunlawful.

10 posted on 03/29/2012 3:02:57 PM PDT by kabar
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Question for the board:

At the very beginning of this tragedy (and fiasco) was it assumed that Martin was shot by someone in law enforcement or associated with law enforcement?

I never heard initial report as to whether it was reported that Zimmerman was a LEO.

I’m asking because if it was thought that he was a LEO rather than just another person, that could be why this took off so fast.


11 posted on 03/29/2012 3:03:29 PM PDT by OpusatFR
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To: OpusatFR

Everything I’ve read said he was neighborhood watch.


12 posted on 03/29/2012 3:06:41 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Bizhvywt

Are you thinking we need to sacrifice Zimmerman to the mob in exchange for peace?


13 posted on 03/29/2012 3:15:39 PM PDT by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the fund should be directed toward protecting the rights of gun owners to shoot back when the race riots start, and not about Zimmerman per say.


14 posted on 03/29/2012 3:20:52 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: OpusatFR

I think he was in the LEO academy. And has since quit for obvious reasons.


15 posted on 03/29/2012 3:26:17 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Didn’t take long for the token Leftist FReepers to chime in!


16 posted on 03/29/2012 3:32:10 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: kabar; Okieshooter

Dont Talk to Police
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6wXkI4t7nuc


17 posted on 03/29/2012 3:38:55 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Bizhvywt

Biz, respectfully, Martin and those who are like him, and support him want to be able to say “Hey crackas, shut your door and don’t worry about what I’m doing.”

That led to the decline of many fine neighborhoods throughout the US, including the one I grew up, the ones my parents and grandparents grew up in. Those neighborhoods are shells of what they used to be, working class neighborhoods with maintained property and well maintained kids. Not hoods in hoodies, skulking around, gathering intel on who they can victimize next.

Shame on George Zimmerman for looking out for his.

If we all had his physical courage, we would have a lot less crime in this nation.

Stand Your Ground also means don’t cede your neighborhood to thugs.


18 posted on 03/29/2012 3:46:51 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBBP Mob Justice!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

That is one of the reasons that the druggist in Oklahoma City that killed the young robber was convicted, not that he wasn’t guilty, but had he refused to talk without a lawyer I believe he might have gotten off on a lesser charge. He tried to convince the police that he was justified and told some lies and made it worse. I saw the tape of his police interview and I think he had a mental problem and may have believed his own lies.

If you are ever involved in a shooting don’t tell the police any more than your name untill you have an attorney. It is not the job of the police to determine if you are innocent, so don’t try to convince them you are.


19 posted on 03/29/2012 4:04:59 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Did you hear that the enemedia disclosed the name of a THIRTEEN YEAR OLD witness?!”

I heard that, but also heard that it was with the permission of his mother who has retained a lawyer so she can appear on tv shows. Of course I don’t know the truth of that, but if true I blame her as much as the media. In any case a 13 year old should not be thrust into the limelight in a case such as this, even with the parents permission.


20 posted on 03/29/2012 4:14:30 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Bizhvywt
This is not a good idea. If Zimmerman gets off, it will make it only harder for responsible gunowners and CCW’ers. The laws are fine. Zimmerman’s judgement is the problem.

Speak for yourself, pal. I think it was a good shoot, and plan to kick in for Zimmerman's defense.

If we allow the left to re-define self-defense as murder, we all lose.

21 posted on 03/29/2012 4:21:46 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Okieshooter
“Zimmerman’s judgement is the problem.”
22 posted on 03/29/2012 4:24:37 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Oztrich Boy
carrying a firearm and following a suspect despite having been advised that was contrary to Neighborhood Watch practice by the police liason only 5 months previously

It's really tiresome to keep reading on FR (a supposedly pro-2nd site) that being in Neighborhood Watch or whatever organization trumps my right to carry a firearm for self-defense.

Bull crap.

And if citizen disarmament is what Neighborhood Watch is all about, it is NOT American and I don't want it in my neighborhood. End of story.

23 posted on 03/29/2012 4:28:22 PM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
Take it up with Neighborhood Wstch. They have designated their function as observe and report only.

Of course he has the right to patrol as an armed lone ranger, but he's not what Neighborhood Watch would recognise as a Captain of the Watch while doing so.

24 posted on 03/29/2012 4:37:36 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I count twice, once saying assholes and once saying crap and I don’t see it as a big deal.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jL72w4xiTVU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

And I guess you where there to witness him making a sudden move?


25 posted on 03/29/2012 4:42:02 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Molon Labbie

“That led to the decline of many fine neighborhoods throughout the US, .... Those neighborhoods are shells of what they used to be..Shame on George Zimmerman for looking out for his.”

Respectfully, Zimmerman has stigmatized the neighborhood he was supposedly trying to protect. Can you imagine trying to sell a house in there now? What effect this will have on property values? The Lawsuit against the HOA that is sure to come? Zimmerman may have been well intentioned, but he’s still an idiot.


26 posted on 03/29/2012 4:55:01 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Okieshooter
You consider "fuç***g" as merely a colourful intensifier? Are you Australian?

And Zimmerman's testimony is that he reached.

27 posted on 03/29/2012 5:04:54 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: meatloaf

“Are you thinking we need to sacrifice Zimmerman to the mob in exchange for peace?”

No, I think that Zimmerman is an example of what not to do as a CCW permit holder and we should not be making excuses for him simply to be contrary to the race baiters and anti-gunners. There’s nothing wrong with the laws in FL. The problem is Zimmerman’s judgement and his actions and an apparently inept police department.


28 posted on 03/29/2012 5:06:14 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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To: Bizhvywt

Biz, this is bigger than property values and HOA lawsuits.

This is about racial hucksters forcing those who are trying to keep their neighborhoods safe, in conjunction with police efforts, cowed and afraid in their own homes.

This is about an administration who is hellbent on disarming Americans, fomenting racial animus, and creating more white guilt, for obvious political gain.

This is about a virulently racial separatist group who think they can conduct extralegal activities and put bounties on American citizens with impunity. This group considers itself a military not bound by the laws of “white” men and people are going to get dead over this recklessness. Property is worthless when it is burned to the ground.

What makes many Americans think this incident goes against the grain is they do not understand that they have the RIGHT to observe, follow, and yes, even confront strangers who are acting suspiciously in their own neighborhoods.

It was citizens who did this long before there were professional police departments as part of “hue and a cry”. We have always had neighborhood or village watchmen and we should continue to encourage citizens to get involved in their neighborhood watches. But neighborhood watches do not trump state or Constitutional Law. Zimmerman can exercise his 2A rights. He didn’t flourish this kid, and had no other options left but kill or die himself.

I don’t fault him.

Perhaps I am a little biased because I confront activity like Martin exhibited for a living and it is refreshing to see citizens doing the same. Citizens and police working together in a neighborhood sends a strong message to thugs. Stay the hell out or we will confront you collectively.


29 posted on 03/29/2012 5:46:30 PM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBBP Mob Justice!)
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To: Oztrich Boy

I have listened to the call several times and never heard the word fuc****g.

The only reference to reaching that I have seen in Zimmerman’s statement was that Martin reached for Zimmerman’s gun while beating on him. Of course accurate information has been extremely hard to come by in this case.

Bottom line nobody should try him in the media and he is entitled a defense, especially in light of the intense campaign of misinformation in the media. That is the purpose of our legal system.


30 posted on 03/29/2012 6:11:35 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: Okieshooter

I stand corrected, I did find that Zimmerman said he reached for his cellphone. I guess that is now justification the hit someone in the nose and beat their head on the concrete.

Again were you a witness to this being a sudden movement? Let’s leave the judgement to the legal system that has rules of evidence for good reasons.


31 posted on 03/29/2012 6:48:08 PM PDT by Okieshooter
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To: goseminoles
I think he was in the LEO academy.

Closest he got was a 14 hour night course at Citizens Police Academy back in 2008. Which is not LEO training

32 posted on 03/29/2012 10:44:48 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: meatloaf

“Are you thinking we need to sacrifice Zimmerman to the mob in exchange for peace?”

Hey, it’s a Jewishy name, so they are halfway there....

/sarcasm off...


33 posted on 03/30/2012 1:02:20 AM PDT by Yehuda (http://jewpoint.blogspot.com)
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To: Molon Labbie

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

This idea that “a neighborhood watch shouldn’t be armed” goes against all sense. The watch has been armed since all the watch had to be armed with was knapped flint on the end of a stick. Why in heck should it not be armed today? Because people are inherently less violent? Crime stats say otherwise.


34 posted on 03/30/2012 1:47:57 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: MNDude
Jesse and Sharpton are going to scream bloody murder every time one of their thugs are taken out.

I know. They think "their people" should get one free beat-down.

35 posted on 03/30/2012 2:20:42 AM PDT by Hacksaw (If I had a son, he'd look like George Zimmerman.)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Of course he has the right to patrol as an armed lone ranger, but he's not what Neighborhood Watch would recognise as a Captain of the Watch while doing so.

So you ARE saying NW volunteers must be disarmed.

WRONG. No federal program can trump enumerated Constitutional rights.

36 posted on 03/30/2012 7:49:49 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: FreedomPoster; Molon Labbie
This idea that “a neighborhood watch shouldn’t be armed” goes against all sense.

And where do programs that go against all sense come from?

SURPRISE! The Federal Government. Yes, Neighborhood Watches are REGISTERED with fed.gov.

No federal program can trump enumerated Constitutional rights.

37 posted on 03/30/2012 8:00:07 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Molon Labbie

“What makes many Americans think this incident goes against the grain is they do not understand that they have the RIGHT to observe, follow, and yes, even confront strangers who are acting suspiciously in their own neighborhoods.”

“It was citizens who did this long before there were professional police departments as part of “hue and a cry”.”

True, but historically it has always been awkward when an unarmed man, who did not commit a crime, is shot and killed without a witness to the entire incident.


38 posted on 03/31/2012 5:00:15 PM PDT by Bizhvywt
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