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Christians bringing Prestige to Pagan Religion of Mormonism
http://youtu.be/eE0OYoW0m60 ^ | Scott Ryan

Posted on 04/08/2012 7:24:47 PM PDT by publius321

Christians who support Romney in Primary are responsible for advancing a polytheistic pagan doctrine and leading potentially millions of souls to state of deception.

The God of Israel said He is the Alpha & the Omega, the beginning and the end. He said there is only ONE God.

Mormonism says there are infinite numbers of gods throughout the universe and THEY can be gods themselves, just like God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ.

This is heresy. Mitt Romney is a heretic just as Barack Obama is a heretic Here's WHY (just scratching the surface).

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To: Gay State Conservative
Romney still comes out as the lesser of two evils.

At least you DO recognize the evil!

51 posted on 04/09/2012 5:33:32 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: garjog
Once the details of Mormon doctrine are well known — such as Romney’s belief that he will be a god of his own planet someday ...

I'm doing what I<>/b> can!!


The Doctrine and Covenants

Section 132

Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, at Nauvoo, Illinois, recorded 12 July 1843, relating to the new and everlasting covenant, including the eternity of the marriage covenant, and also the plurality of wives (see History of the Church, 5:501–7). Although the revelation was recorded in 1843, it is evident from the historical records that the doctrines and principles involved in this revelation had been known by the Prophet since 1831.

1–6, Exaltation is gained through the new and everlasting covenant; 7–14, The terms and conditions of that covenant are set forth; 15–20, Celestial marriage and a continuation of the family unit enable men to become gods; 21–25, The strait and narrow way leads to eternal lives; 26–27, The law is given relative to blasphemy against the Holy Ghost; 28–39, Promises of eternal increase and exaltation are made to prophets and Saints in all ages; 40–47, Joseph Smith is given the power to bind and seal on earth and in heaven; 48–50, The Lord seals upon him his exaltation; 51–57, Emma Smith is counseled to be faithful and true; 58–66, Laws governing the plurality of wives are set forth.

 


 

 16Therefore, when they are out of the world they neither marry nor are given in amarriage; but are appointed angels in bheaven, which angels are ministering cservants, to minister for those who are worthy of a far more, and an exceeding, and an eternal weight of glory.

 17For these angels did not abide my law; therefore, they cannot be enlarged, but remain separately and singly, without exaltation, in their saved condition, to all eternity; and from henceforth are not gods, but are aangels of God forever and ever.

 18And again, verily I say unto you, if a man marry a wife, and make a covenant with her for time and for all eternity, if that acovenant is not by me or by my word, which is my law, and is not sealed by the Holy Spirit of promise, through him whom I have anointed and appointed unto this power, then it is not valid neither of force when they are out of the world, because they are not joined by me, saith the Lord, neither by my word; when they are out of the world it cannot be received there, because the angels and the gods are appointed there, by whom they cannot pass; they cannot, therefore, inherit my glory; for my house is a house of order, saith the Lord God.

 19And again, verily I say unto you, if a man amarry a wife by my word, which is my law, and by the new and beverlasting covenant, and it is csealed unto them by the Holy Spirit of dpromise, by him who is anointed, unto whom I have appointed this power and the ekeys of this priesthood; and it shall be said unto them—Ye shall come forth in the first resurrection; and if it be after the first resurrection, in the next resurrection; and shall inherit fthrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths—then shall it be written in the Lamb’s gBook of Life, that he shall commit no hmurder whereby to shed innocent iblood, and if ye abide in my covenant, and commit no murder whereby to shed innocent blood, it shall be done unto them in all things whatsoever my servant hath put upon them, in time, and through all eternity; and shall be of full force when they are out of the world; and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their jexaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fulness and a continuation of the kseeds forever and ever.

 20 Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from aeverlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be bgods, because they have call power, and the angels are subject unto them.

 21Verily, verily, I say unto you, except ye abide my alaw ye cannot attain to this glory.

 22For astrait is the gate, and narrow the bway that leadeth unto the exaltation and continuation of the clives, and few there be that find it, because ye receive me not in the world neither do ye know me.

 23But if ye receive me in the world, then shall ye know me, and shall receive your exaltation; that awhere I am ye shall be also.

 24This is aeternal lives—to bknow the only wise and true God, and Jesus Christ, whom he hath csent. I am he. Receive ye, therefore, my law.

 25aBroad is the gate, and wide the way that leadeth to the bdeaths; and many there are that go in thereat, because they creceive me not, neither do they abide in my law.


52 posted on 04/09/2012 5:35:30 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: garjog
... he will be a god ...

(click)
Praise to the Man!
 
 
 
Praise to the man who communed with Jehovah!
Jesus annointed that Prophet and Seer.
Blessed to open the last dispensation,
Kings shall extol him, and nations revere.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.

Praise to his mem'ry, he died as a martyr;
Honored and blest be his ever great name!
Long shall his blood, which was shed by assasins,
Plead unto heav'n while the earth lauds his fame.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Great is his glory and endless his priesthood.
Ever and ever the keys he will hold.
Faithful and true he will enter his kingdom,
Crowned in the midst of the prophets of old.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


Sacrifice brings forth the blessings of heaven;
Earth must atone for the blood of that man.
Wake up the world for the conflict of justice.
Millions shall know 'Brother Joseph' again.

Chorus
Hail to the Prophet, ascended to heaven!
Traitors and tyrants now fight him in vain.
Mingling with Gods, he can plan for his brethren;
Death cannot conquer the hero again.


53 posted on 04/09/2012 5:36:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: freemama
I suggest we pray for the future of our nation.





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

54 posted on 04/09/2012 5:38:18 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: jonrick46
The use of the description, polytheism, to describe Mormon thinking about the trinity is not their modern thinking on God.

But since the Living Prophet® has NOT made any changes to the MORMON 'scriptures' lately; they are STUCK with the OLD definitions of their belief, no matter WHAT they are 'saying' today.

55 posted on 04/09/2012 5:41:07 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ge0ffrey
...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Sigh...

no religious Test shall ever be DENIEDas a Qualification to person VOTING> for anyone applying for any Office or public Trust in the United States.

56 posted on 04/09/2012 5:43:25 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ge0ffrey
...no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Sigh...

...unless they are a radical MUSLIM!

57 posted on 04/09/2012 5:44:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Colofornian
The biggest objection people have to voting for a third-party candidate is that it's wasting their vote.

At least that's what the WHIGs thought!

It's either third or throw the 'republican leadership' OUT!

Since I've seen NO one that knows just HOW to do this; we will continue to get what we've always gotten.

58 posted on 04/09/2012 5:47:56 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Springfield Reformer
... she had just been added to the list of women that young man wanted to have for a wife in the afterlife, to make little god-babies with. My mom.

That puts MILF in a whole new light!

59 posted on 04/09/2012 5:50:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Springfield Reformer
Mormons
I'd
Like to
Forever Family

60 posted on 04/09/2012 5:51:48 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Springfield Reformer
... the church as a whole is committed to the words of their own prophets...

They'd BETTER!!!!

But Houston; there IS a problem!!


What about THIS 'prophet'???


"Now if any of you will deny the plurality of wives, and continue to do so, I promise that you will be damned;

and I will go still further and say, take this revelation, or any other revelation that the Lord has given,

and deny it in your feelings, and I promise that you will be damned.

Brigham Young - JoD 3:266 (July 14, 1855)

61 posted on 04/09/2012 5:54:35 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Ge0ffrey
You haven’t convinced me constitutionally. Let me repeat: [N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

Let me repeat: Article VI of the Constitution is geared toward the govt & toward candidates & potential candidates

Not toward voters.

Otherwise, you would HAVE to vote for a Satanist (to prove you weren't voting against him because of his religion!)

62 posted on 04/09/2012 6:08:04 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Elsie

As a Christian it is my commission to spread the Gospel. Once the nonbeliever hears of the Gospel, they have three options, reject it, want to hear more of it or accept it. Every human being has a spiritual component that is affected by the message. It is up to them to chose how they react to the Gospel. Mormons know that Christians do not accept the Book of Mormons, and many of their major tenants. Knowing that, Salvations is in their hands not mine. Still as Christians we need to treat nonbelievers with kindness, patience and respect. There are many ways we can preach to nonbelievers, and one of them is thru our own behavior. We cannot write people off because they do not immediately accept Christ. Some may accept moments before they die. That is why we cannot be too quick to judge and write off, because doing so is to chase them away from Salvation, not encourage them to seek or think about it. Because Mormons are well behaved is not the basis to determine the veracity of their faith, but from an American citizen aspect (social not faith) Mormons are well behaved, hardworking, strong family value, self control and etc. Something American society can do with more of.


63 posted on 04/09/2012 6:37:06 AM PDT by Fee
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To: Ge0ffrey; All
You haven’t convinced me constitutionally. Let me repeat: [N]o religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.

ALL: What has our conservative cause come to when you have supposed "conservatives" insistently and repeatedly claim that a voter CANNOT consider (for example)...
...the jihadist leanings or express jihadist convictions of a Muslim POTUS candidate...???
...or even the openly Satanic views of any given future POTUS candidate????

Why, Ge0ffREY COULD have 100% evidence that the Dems in 2016 were running the "anti-Christ" ... and Ge0ffrey, were he in ANY way consistent & not hypocritical, would pull out his extreme misinterpretation of Article VI of the Constitution & proceed to lecture FReepers that sorry, they as voters, supposedly could not take the "anti-Christ" religious beliefs of the "anti-Christ" into consideration in their voting.

[Shaking my head over such lack of basic discernment...(No wonder the Republicans are in such disarray & dire straights)]

Btw, Ge0ffrey, I counted at least three Sunday threads focusing on this subject: Easter threads shooting @ Obama's religious comments & alleged ties (see post #24 for EXACT links to these threads)

So, Ge0ffrey, where were you on any of these threads with your Article VI advisements? It's not too late, ya know...you could venture into ALL of these threads & proceed to lecture & scold posters that Article VI of the Constitution precludes them from taking Obama's religious comments & alleged ties into consideration as they vote in 2012.

What a strange coincidence. I've seen Article VI posters probably 20 times in the past five years of FREEP posting...but what a coincidence that they ALWAYS show up on Romney threads and NEVER show up on Obama's religion threads...for example, the countless Rev. Jeremiah Wright threads...ones that were, btw, being revived on FR last week...[see the Hatch link in the above link]

It's not too late, Ge0ffrey...
...show us that you're not some two-faced hypocrite & head into those 4 threads I linked on post #24 of the above-linked thread...
...remind all those FREEPERS commenting about Obama's Easter bumbles & alleged "Muslim" ties that they CANNOT take Obama's religious life into consideration when they vote...per Ge0ffrey's "interpretation" of Article VI of the Constitution.

64 posted on 04/09/2012 7:33:23 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Fee; Elsie
Because Mormons are well behaved is not the basis to determine the veracity of their faith, but from an American citizen aspect (social not faith) Mormons are well behaved, hardworking, strong family value, self control and etc. Something American society can do with more of.

#1: If you were auditioning for godhood -- like temple Mormons are -- you would be on your best behavior, too.

#2: You're not calling for more people to consider themselves as "gods" like Mormons do, are you? (You're not encouraging this kind of social behavior, are you?...just so that America can have more "well behaved, hardworking, strong family value, self control" people)

Because if that's the case, why stop there? You might as well say the same thing about several other cults & some world religions in communist countries...because their criminal rates are lower.

I mean some of the cults that emphasize their "hard working" spiritual ethic to get them to heaven are some of the "hardest working" people I've seen;
Some of the New Age cults that focus on a distinct type of meditation (than portrayed in the Bible) are often able to display amazing "self control"...some even "fire walking" on hot coals...
Many Asians involved in various world religions are from a pure social perspective, "well behaved..." And the Pharisees were extremely outwardly well behaved to the point that Jesus in His sermon on the mount said that unless your righteousness exceeded theirs, you would in no wise enter the Kingdom of heaven. Yet, you wouldn't elevate either these world religions or the Pharisees without the proper caveats and qualifications, would you?

Still as Christians we need to treat nonbelievers with kindness, patience and respect. There are many ways we can preach to nonbelievers, and one of them is thru our own behavior.

Agreed...yet Jesus wasn't always "kind" to the Pharisees (see, i.e. latter part of John 8 & entire 23rd chapter of Matthew). Some of the "debates" that the apostle Paul & Apollos had in the synagogues (read Acts 17; 18, 19) included debating/refuting, etc.

'Tis a lack of discernment of reading the New Testament to not realize that Jesus & His disciples treated religious legalists distinctive from say, the woman @ the well...or those on Mars Hill in Acts 17.

Jesus & His disciples comforted the afflicted; yet they also afflicted the comfortable. And I don't see that in what you just posted.

It is up to them to chose how they react to the Gospel.

This is not 100% true. 'Tis numerous Scriptures which say people are spiritually dead. They are like Lazarus in the tomb. To become "quickened" (enlivened) has something to do with Someone outside of themselves...for example, the Holy Spirit.

The apostle Paul told the Corinthians in an environment of persecution: "No one can say Jesus is Lord except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor. 12:3)

65 posted on 04/09/2012 7:51:57 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: publius321

Romney doesn’t have to win the presidency. He only has to be the Republican candidate.


66 posted on 04/09/2012 8:01:47 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Ge0ffrey; Colofornian
GeOffery - back to Constitution 101 for you.

Colofornian is exactly right - this limitation is imposed on the GOVERNMENT, not private citizens. Remember that the original colonies were set up as religious enclaves. The Constitution prevented the state from imposing a religious requirement that its elected officials must be of the recognized state religion. In other words, an elected official in Maryland didn't have to be Catholic, or an official in Rhode Island, Baptist, etc.

So what are the courts going to do if I vote based on religious grounds? Declare me unconstitutional? Nullify my vote? How are they going to know that was my basis for voting? The Founding Fathers wouldn't put something as foolish into the Constitution as your are suggesting. They knew that you can't put unenforceable provisions into a ruling document - it just opens the whole document to be held in contempt.

67 posted on 04/09/2012 9:11:56 AM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Ge0ffrey; Colofornian

Colofornian is right. Article VI is a limitation on the fed, not on you and I. All it means is that a person of any religion or no religion cannot be blocked by the fed from running for federal office. That means that whether a person believes in the God of Israel or in the tooth fairy or in no god at all, the federal government cannot deny that person a place on the ballot.

However, I venture to guess that if you knew a candidate was on the ballot who seriously believed in the tooth fairy, you might give the other, more, um, traditional candidates a closer look. And you would have a constitutional right to do so. Election law under our Constitution liberates both the candidate and the voter to express their views freely under the First Amendment, whether those views are religious or otherwise. Your advocacy of Article VI as a limitation on what the *voter* may consider is a perfect inversion of that principle, and an argument against those costly liberties, paid for in blood, and enshrined for us in the First Amendment of our Constituion. Your argument has no basis in fact or law, and is not to be taken seriously. We will vote with eyes wide open, but thank you for your concern.


68 posted on 04/09/2012 9:21:10 AM PDT by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: CommerceComet; Springfield Reformer; Ge0ffrey
I appreciate both of your responses (commercecomet & springfield reformer) to the degree that I am going to lift quotable sentences from your responses...and permanently incorporate them into future "Article VI" responses from future lame constitutional offerings by Freepers...Unfortunately, a Mormon Congressman from Idaho (labrador) was citing this same lame "Article VI" interpretation on Meet the Press Sunday, thereby confusing more viewers like Ge0ffrey out there...

[I think some non-Romneybot FREEPERs are looking for any and all "justification" as to why they HAVE to vote for Romney..."Uh...'cause the 'Constitution told me to!"]

(I'll properly cite -- and ping -- both of you when I quote you)

So...cutting & pasting the following for safekeeping, re-utilization (with proper citations):

Remember that the original colonies were set up as religious enclaves. The Constitution prevented the state from imposing a religious requirement that its elected officials must be of the recognized state religion. In other words, an elected official in Maryland didn't have to be Catholic, or an official in Rhode Island, Baptist, etc. So what are the courts going to do if I vote based on religious grounds? Declare me unconstitutional? Nullify my vote? How are they going to know that was my basis for voting? The Founding Fathers wouldn't put something as foolish into the Constitution as your are suggesting. They knew that you can't put unenforceable provisions into a ruling document - it just opens the whole document to be held in contempt. [Commerce Comet, April 9, 2012]

...whether a person believes in the God of Israel or in the tooth fairy or in no god at all, the federal government cannot deny that person a place on the ballot. However, I venture to guess that if you knew a candidate was on the ballot who seriously believed in the tooth fairy, you might give the other, more, um, traditional candidates a closer look. And you would have a constitutional right to do so. Election law under our Constitution liberates both the candidate and the voter to express their views freely under the First Amendment, whether those views are religious or otherwise. Your advocacy of Article VI as a limitation on what the *voter* may consider is a perfect inversion of that principle, and an argument against those costly liberties, paid for in blood, and enshrined for us in the First Amendment of our Constitution. Your argument has no basis in fact or law, and is not to be taken seriously. We will vote with eyes wide open, but thank you for your concern. [Springfield Reformer, April 9, 2012]

You both are able constitutional historians, writers -- in how you framed your responses, and conservative FREEPERs in my book. I am highly impressed by both of these post entries!

69 posted on 04/09/2012 10:26:49 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: LetMarch

Excellent...

I just finished a extensive study in Romans, you covered it well!


70 posted on 04/09/2012 10:36:01 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Fee

Just on your point that it would be a better world if we lived as Mormons do (I paraphrase) .....

Well aside from the Biblical wrongs they are involved in, Mitt Romney was pro abortion and pro gay marriage..YES HE WAS, and yet he was not condemned by any Mormons for holding anti life views, they lined up to support him anyway.

So they had no problem with Mittens supporting murder of God`s children etc, and for gay marriage and all the trimmings, so aside from their wrong view of the Bible, I am not interested in their so called family values.

Just my opinion, was not suggesting for a moment that you sided in any way with the Mormon belief...absolutely not, just sharing my thoughts on their “family values”


71 posted on 04/09/2012 10:45:39 AM PDT by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2012 OR FLIPPIN BUST)
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To: Fee
Once the nonbeliever hears of the Gospel, they have ...

My thrust is toward the 'believer' in a FALSE gospel.

The ERROR of their belief MUST be spotlighted for them to EVER see it.

72 posted on 04/09/2012 11:24:34 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Fee
Mormons know that Christians do not accept the Book of Mormons, and many of their major tenants. Knowing that, Salvations is in their hands not mine.

Sorry; but go along with the watchman:

Jeremiah 6:17-20
 
17 I appointed watchmen over you and said,
‘Listen to the sound of the trumpet!’
But you said, ‘We will not listen.’

18 Therefore hear, you nations;
you who are witnesses,
observe what will happen to them.

19 Hear, you earth:
I am bringing disaster on this people,
the fruit of their schemes,
because they have not listened to my words
and have rejected my law.
20 What do I care about incense from Sheba
or sweet calamus from a distant land?
Your burnt offerings are not acceptable;
your sacrifices do not please me.”


Eze 33:1-6

Again the word of the LORD came unto me, saying,
Son of man, speak to the children of thy people, and say unto them, When I bring the sword upon a land, if the people of the land take a man of their coasts, and set him for their watchman:
If when he seeth the sword come upon the land, he blow the trumpet, and warn the people;
Then whosoever heareth the sound of the trumpet, and taketh not warning; if the sword come, and take him away, his blood shall be upon his own head.
He heard the sound of the trumpet, and took not warning; his blood shall be upon him. But he that taketh warning shall deliver his soul.
But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take [any] person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.


I figure that I am WARNING them.

THEN my job is done.

73 posted on 04/09/2012 11:33:39 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Fee
Still as Christians we need to treat nonbelievers with kindness, patience and respect.

To me; it is NOT 'kindness' to let a person CONTINUE on the wrong path; knowing that at any moment their life could be snuffed out.


Dang!

Maybe I should have invited them in for tea and cookies.

74 posted on 04/09/2012 11:35:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Fee
Still as Christians we need to treat nonbelievers with kindness, patience and respect.

Like John the Baptist talked to Herodias?

Like Jesus treated the Pharisees?

Like Paul announced to the agitators in Galatians 5:12?

75 posted on 04/09/2012 11:38:05 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: blueunicorn6
Romney doesn’t have to win the presidency.

May as well; for he'd make a CRUMMY Living Prophet®!!




...the presidential campaign of Mormon Church founder Joseph Smith in 1844: “Challenging Democrat James Polk and Whig Henry Clay, Smith prophesied that if the U.S. Congress did not accede to his demands that ‘they shall be broken up as a government and God shall damn them.’

Smith viewed capturing the presidency as part of the mission of the church.

76 posted on 04/09/2012 11:39:36 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie; All

Thanks for sharing that Elsie. That is some heretical stuff, much like the way muslims worship their false prophet instead of Jesus Christ.

It gives me chills and I’m sure will send off warning signals within the God given consciences of Christians as they read this blasphemy.

I appreciate your contribution to the cause of exposing the lies.


77 posted on 04/09/2012 2:59:53 PM PDT by publius321
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To: publius321
I appreciate your contribution to the cause of exposing the lies.

I'm merely reporting what the LDS religious organization has already printed.

ANYone can do this!!

Even MORMONs ;^)

78 posted on 04/09/2012 6:21:31 PM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Friendofgeorge
Just on your point that it would be a better world if we lived as Mormons do (I paraphrase) .....

Well aside from the Biblical wrongs they are involved in, Mitt Romney was pro abortion and pro gay marriage..YES HE WAS, and yet he was not condemned by any Mormons for holding anti life views, they lined up to support him anyway.

So they had no problem with Mittens supporting murder of God`s children etc, and for gay marriage and all the trimmings, so aside from their wrong view of the Bible, I am not interested in their so called family values.

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79 posted on 04/09/2012 6:30:35 PM PDT by greyfoxx39 (Mormon missionaries are Christianophobe bigots denigrating Christian faiths.)
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The Mormons I know are terrific people. Of course they’d be even better if they took a drink now and then. But hell yes I’ll vote for a Mormon candidate. Mormons are awesome Americans. And God loves ‘em too!


80 posted on 04/09/2012 6:36:01 PM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Colofornian; ottbmare; publius321; Blood of Tyrants; varmintman; Gay State Conservative; ...

I am not voting Romney, I am voting for a strategy.

My speculation is that if Romney were to be elected and Obamanoid communists who would like to root out all illumitatis, Jews, mormons etc... not under their direct control savages them, then it is more points for conservatives and the realization that Christians are right along in being with the story of the true Jesus Who was persecuted.

I don’t know. I guess BushII was content with being persecuted by liberals, but that was him. They of course all suffer from a Stokholm syndrome and will invariably blame Christians and conservatives for the liberals raping them.


81 posted on 04/09/2012 6:56:51 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: greyfoxx39

Yeah, the mormons of late I know have been thoroughly brainwashed by their church as to accept gays. There is this Mormon guilt going on. I know a “former mormon” whereby he felt that all this discipline was so harsh on him, he left the church and became as a result a flaming homosexual.

Many Mormons I met were also extremely metro-femino-sexual, imo, and they had mutilation and suicidal problems. I just do not know what is going on in this church.


82 posted on 04/09/2012 7:01:02 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: Springfield Reformer
I responded earlier but my post failed when my internet had a freeze. Your post was excellent and gave much food for thought. It made me dust off my book, Kingdom of the Cults by Dr. Walter Martin. He wrote 60 pages about Mormonism. He concludes his examination with these words:

"For these facts it is evident for all to see that Mormonism strives with great effort to masquerade as the Christian church complete with an exclusive message, infallible prophets, higher revelations for a new dispensation which the Mormons would have us believe began with Joseph Smith, Jr."

"But it is the verdict of both history and Biblical theology that Joseph Smith's religion is a polytheistic nightmare of garbled doctrines draped with the garment of Christian terminology. This fact, if nothing else, brands it as a non-Christian cult system."

Indeed, Mormonism is a maze of conflicting doctrines with a veneer that attracts new converts because it has elements that seems so fascinating when compared to Christianity. Christians call this the seductive component of its doctrine.

The original texts of Mormon doctrine came at a time when Christianity was experiencing the Second Great Awakening. This period may have motivated Joseph Smith and later, Brigham Young to come up with their own spiritual system to out-do their Christian contemporaries who were engaged in the revival movement. Because both were self-educated it is my believe that their limited comprehension of the written word caused them to fail in their interpretation of the King James Bible and its true significance. It was Joseph Smith, Jr. who wrote, The Holy Scriptures, Translated and Corrected by the Spirit of Revelation, by Joseph Smith, Jr. the Seer . The manuscript was published after his death (1844) in 1867. This writing revealed his level of scholarship with the Bible and it showed him as one who played fast and loose with its translation. The text was filled with spelling errors, grammatical mistakes and punctuation errors in keeping with his poor level of education. It also holds many contradictions, omissions and changed meanings. In short, Joseph Smith invented his own version of the Bible to suit his fancy and to titillate the imaginations of new followers.

Brigham Young took over where Joseph Smith left off in false teachings and the practice of polygamy with 52 wives. This is another case where poor education caused him to invent his own doctrine that he claimed was "revealed" to him by God. The primary source for Brigham Young's teachings are his sermons, most of which are recorded verbatim in The Journal of Discourses in 26 volumes. I will not go into detail, but to say that it has all of Young's false teaching and has to this day been swept under the rug as recent as the publication, Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Brigham Young in 1997.

I end, saying that both Joseph Smith Jr and Brigham Young would have given more to the wealth of the Second Great Awakening if they had explored the Bible with the aid of those who had the scholarship, who could read the original Hebrew and Greek texts, and had the true meaning of the Bible written down and for all to understand. They did not. Instead, they showed what happens when men, without the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, get into the Bible to use it for their own purposes and not God's purpose.

83 posted on 04/09/2012 7:09:52 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Elsie
My only exception(s) on religion...

ATTENTION lurkers!

This dude is NOT a representative of ALL Lutherans!


???????

Although I was baptized Lutheran, I do not claim to represent the Lutheran faith in my post but my own assessment and sizing up of the situation we face. My posts are from me only and represent me.
84 posted on 04/09/2012 8:34:12 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Signalman
I don’t care if a candidate worships trees and rocks. If he believes in a free-market economy, low taxes, a strong defense and a smaller, more efficient government, I’ll vote for him.

Amen! This is a touchy subject, but As long as his/her religion does not advocate flying planes into buildings or advocate human/animal sacrifice. I believe the candidate needs to believe and follow basic/Mosiac Law (The Ten Commandments reaffirm the basic dealings and the way we should act towards each others as a standard of law) and be pro-life and pro-traditional marriage personally. Still, the last two under our form of law should be basically left up to each State to decide for themselves although I'd like to see a pro-life Amendment. Still, you hit the nail on the head where you need someone who know what they are doing and where we'd feel comfortable handling that "3 AM hone call."
85 posted on 04/09/2012 8:49:05 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: JudgemAll
I am not voting Romney, I am voting for a strategy.

My speculation is that if Romney were to be elected and Obamanoid communists who would like to root out all illumitatis, Jews, mormons etc... not under their direct control savages them, then it is more points for conservatives and the realization that Christians are right along in being with the story of the true Jesus Who was persecuted.


I know, I'm not 100% comfortable with Romney, but I do say he is heck of a lot better than Bammy. I know we will never agree 100% on out views religiously or even politically at times, but the thing to remember is that we must hang together or we will hang separately. Life is not fair and I know we will not get 100% of what we want with Romney but I think he will do the right thing most of the time. As the saying goes "half a loaf is better than none" and perhaps we might even get 75 or 80 percent of the loaf. We need to quit this infighting over all this minutia and accept reality for what it is and speak with one voice.
86 posted on 04/09/2012 9:03:46 PM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: sand lake bar

The Muslims I know are terrific people. Of course they’d be even better if they took a drink now and then. But hell yes I’ll vote for a Muslim candidate. Muslims are awesome Americans. And God loves ‘em too!


87 posted on 04/10/2012 5:03:06 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JudgemAll
Yeah, the mormons of late I know have been thoroughly brainwashed by their church as to accept gays.

Just ACCEPT??


I'm a MORMON ...
 
 
 

http://www.affirmation.org/

88 posted on 04/10/2012 5:04:27 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: JudgemAll
What is your church doing to help the male to stay true?
 




prophet kimball"All of this should be conveyed without having priesthood leaders focus upon intimate matters which are a part of husband and wife relationships. Skillful interviewing and counseling can occur without discussion of clinical details by placing firm responsibility on individual members of the Church to put their lives in order before exercising the privilege of entering a house of the Lord. The First Presidency has interpreted oral sex as constituting an unnatural, impure, or unholy practice. If a person is engaged in a practice which troubles him enough to ask about it, he should discontinue it."
- Official Declaration of the First Presidency of the Church, January 5th, 1982


spencer kimball"Prophets anciently and today condemn masturbation. It induces feelings of guilt and shame. It is detrimental to spirituality. It indicates slavery to the flesh, not that mastery of it and the growth toward godhood which is the object of our mortal life. Our modern prophet has indicated that no young man should be called on a mission who is not free from this practice. What is more, it too often leads to grievous sin, even to that sin against nature, homosexuality. For, done in private, it evolves often into mutual masturbation-practiced with another person of the same sex and thence into total homosexuality...."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Pages 77-79, 81-82

"Among the most common sexual sins our young people commit are necking and petting. Not only do these improper relations often lead to fornication, [unwed] pregnancy, and abortions - all ugly sins - but in and of themselves they are pernicious evils, and it is often difficult for youth to distinguish where one ends and another begins. They awaken lust and stir evil thoughts and sex desires. They are but parts of the whole family of related sins and indiscretions. Almost like twins, 'petting' and fornication are alike."
- Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 65


spencer kimball"Also far-reaching is the effect of the loss of chastity. Once given or taken or stolen it can never be regained. Even in a forced contact such as rape or incest, the injured one is greatly outraged. If she has not cooperated and contributed to the foul deed, she is of course in a more favorable position. There is no condemnation where there is no voluntary participation. It is better to die in defending one's virtue than to live having lost it without a struggle."
-
Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, page 196


"And Cain said unto the Lord, My punishment is greater than I can bear. Behold, thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the earth." (Genesis 4:9-14.) That was true of murder. It is also true of illicit sex, which, of course, includes all petting, fornication, adultery, homosexual acts, and all other perversions. The Lord may say to offenders, as He did to Cain, "What hast thou done?" The children thus conceived make damning charges against you; the companions who have been frustrated and violated condemn you; the body that has been defiled cries out against you; the spirit which has been dwarfed convicts you. You will have difficulty throughout the ages in totally forgiving yourself."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965. Often-used quote still used today in LDS seminary classes.


kimball"I do not find in the Bible the modern terms "petting" nor "homosexuality," yet I found numerous scriptures which forbade such acts under by whatever names they might be called. I could not find the term "homosexuality," but I did find numerous places where the Lord condemned such a practice with such vigor that even the death penalty was assessed."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, "Love Versus Lust", BYU Speech January 5, 1965


"If adultery or fornication justified the death penalty in the old days, and still in Christ's day, is the sin any less today because the laws of the land do not assess the death penalty for it? Is the act less grievous? There must be a washing, a purging, a changing of attitudes, a correcting of appraisals, a strengthening toward self-mastery. There must be many prayers, and volumes of tears. There must be an inner conviction giving to the sin its full diabolical weight. There must be increased devotion and much thought and study. And this takes energy and time and often is accompanied with sore embarrassment, heavy deprivations and deep trials, even if indeed one is not excommunicated from the Church, losing all spiritual blessings."
-Prophet Spencer W. Kimball, The Miracle of Forgiveness, Page 155


"How like the mistletoe is immorality. The killer plant starts with a sticky sweet berry. Little indiscretions are the berries -- indiscretions like sex thoughts sex discussions, passionate kissing, pornography. The leaves and little twigs are masturbation and necking and such, growing with every exercise. The full-grown plant is petting and sex looseness. It confounds, frustrates, and destroys like the parasite if it is not cut out and destroyed, for, in time it robs the tree, bleeds its life, and leaves it barren and dry; and, strangely enough, the parasite dies with its host."
- Apostle Spencer W. Kimball, General Conference Address, April 1, 1967.


89 posted on 04/10/2012 5:05:03 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: jonrick46
"For these facts it is evident for all to see that Mormonism strives with great effort to masquerade as the Christian church complete with an exclusive message, infallible prophets, higher revelations for a new dispensation which the Mormons would have us believe began with Joseph Smith, Jr."


2 Corinthians 11:12

And I will keep on doing what I am doing

 in order to cut the ground from under those

who want an opportunity to be considered equal

with us in the things they boast about.

 

90 posted on 04/10/2012 5:06:38 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Nowhere Man
My posts are from me only and represent me.

And that was just what I emphasized.

91 posted on 04/10/2012 5:07:33 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Nowhere Man
This is a touchy subject, but As long as his/her religion does not advocate flying planes into buildings or advocate human/animal sacrifice.

We have killed over 45 million humans that would have become productive Americans on the altar of CHOICE.

ANYONE who does NOT try to over turn that travesty would be considered...

92 posted on 04/10/2012 5:10:49 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

Your comment on Muslims is both true and stupid at the same time. Amazing! Congratulations.


93 posted on 04/10/2012 5:11:34 AM PDT by sand lake bar (You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.)
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To: Nowhere Man
This is a touchy subject, but As long as his/her religion does not advocate flying planes into buildings or advocate human/animal sacrifice.

 

The gruesome be headings of some 40 Ute corpses in 1850, heads stacked in boxes,
and hung by their long hair from the eves of buildings at Fort Utah,
 has long been ignored, “You didn’t see the Indians beheading the Mormons.”
 
-- Historian Robert Carter

94 posted on 04/10/2012 5:11:51 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: sand lake bar

I try to please!


95 posted on 04/10/2012 5:13:47 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
"Hmmm, so if I do what you say, I'll turn into an old fart like you sublimating your lust into sex talk for young people like me?"


96 posted on 04/10/2012 5:15:19 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Elsie
We have killed over 45 million humans that would have become productive Americans on the altar of CHOICE.

ANYONE who does NOT try to over turn that travesty would be considered...


Agreed. Still under our system, the way I see it is that it is left to the States to decide and it is up to each of us in our respective States to work to put a stop to it. The other way to do it is to enact a pro-life Amendment in the Constitution itself.

Sometimes what is legal isn't moral although there are way to work to make it so under our system although it may be tough and imperfect at times.

Yes, it is a travesty that we have killed 45 million unborn on the altar of conveinence and "choice." When we are conceived, we are all promise life by God as well as our humanity and I think to take that away is wrong, abortion should be very rare indeed, only to save the life of the mother if there are no other options.
97 posted on 04/10/2012 6:23:58 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Elsie

Yeah, I think people of all religions used their religion to do bad things unfortunately but with the exception of small groups (like the Westboro Baptist Church) or lone wolves, it’s not as much of a problem that it used to be (at leaat thatm ost are aware of), except radical Muslims for the most part.


98 posted on 04/10/2012 6:27:28 AM PDT by Nowhere Man (General James Mattoon Scott, where are you when we need you? We need a regime change.)
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To: Elsie

“Praise to the Man!”

Amazing. Mormon evangelism will sky rocket with the god in embryo Romney in office. He won’t say a thing to promote the faith, but the missionaries will make hey day from the fact that they have their dude in high office.

On the other hand, perhaps the exposure of the doctrine in popular culture will spur reform in the Mormon religion? Maybe a new generation of leaders will come up and do away with some of the crazy stuff and move towards traditional Christian doctrines?


99 posted on 04/10/2012 9:22:56 AM PDT by garjog
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To: Elsie

“no religious test”

Of course there is no legal religious test for office. We don’t have a law that says only Christians can hold office.

The questions is: do we want someone who professes a really strange religion as our Head of State? Sure, it may be legal, but is he or she the person we want as our representative?

There are ceremonial duties for that office.

Is the question of a person’s faith NEVER an issue?

What if the person were a Wiccan or a Scientologist?

Would we say, sorry you can’t criticize a person’s private faith. So what if they sacrifice puppies to Isis every full moon or believe they are the descendants of space aliens. They are great on tax policy.


100 posted on 04/10/2012 9:32:30 AM PDT by garjog
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