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Women to attend Marines' infantry school
News Blogs CNN ^ | April 19, 2012 |

Posted on 04/19/2012 1:29:43 PM PDT by robowombat

Women to attend Marines' infantry school [Updated at 1:04 p.m. ET] The U.S. Marine Corps plans to allow a yet-undetermined number of female volunteers to enroll in the school that trains its infantry combat officers, the Marine Corps Times has reported.

The plan to open the Infantry Officers Course to women is part of the service's effort to determine which additional jobs may be open to women in the future, Gen. Joseph Dunford, the Marines' assistant commandant, told the Marine Corps Times.

"We are in the process right now of soliciting volunteers," Dunford told the Times for a story published Wednesday.

Enlisted women also eventually will have a chance to take infantry training, Dunford told the Times, which reported that it wasn't yet clear what path the women who complete the training would follow.

The decision to open the school to female volunteers is part of a research plan implemented after Congress directed the Marines to review their policies on assigning women to ground combat elements, Capt. Kevin Schultz, a Marines spokesman, told CNN on Thursday.

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1 posted on 04/19/2012 1:29:49 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: robowombat
Just heard about this - another forced program by this administration to try to change several thousand years of human history while wrecking today's Marine Corps.

We are stuck with our first Air Wing Commandant, hand selected by Rahm Emanuel for Obama.

The admixture of women into the infantry on top of the forced addition of openly-serving gays is a death knell for unit cohesion and combat effectiveness.

We can't get this damn bunch out fast enough!

2 posted on 04/19/2012 1:36:15 PM PDT by Chainmail
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To: Chainmail

More social engineering from the SOCIALIST ENGINEERS...


3 posted on 04/19/2012 1:38:22 PM PDT by Nat Turner (I can see NOVEMBER 2012 from my house....)
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To: robowombat

Just what the Marine Corps. needs women leading them into combat./s/

What idiot thought this up?

I would never ask my son to go in the service in any branch while the Kenyan is in charge.This crap has to stop or we won’t have a military.


4 posted on 04/19/2012 1:42:28 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: robowombat
If Sarah Palin can be President, women can be Marines.

Recommended reading ... "Joan of Arc," by Mark Twain.

5 posted on 04/19/2012 1:42:45 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: Chainmail

“The admixture of women into the infantry on top of the forced addition of openly-serving gays is a death knell for unit cohesion and combat effectiveness.”

That’s the reason the left and the “egalitarians” push this so relentlessly. They want the military destroyed. Of course, this is a dream come true for Islamists. I wonder how the libs will feel once Mohammedanism has taken over?


6 posted on 04/19/2012 1:44:54 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Chainmail

Romney won’t change a thing.


7 posted on 04/19/2012 1:48:25 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: robowombat

so they’ll have to sign up for the draft to get their free gubmint college cheese, right?

and they’ll have to do the same amount of pushups,etc for the same score on male PT test, right?


8 posted on 04/19/2012 1:49:53 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: Chainmail

Romney won’t change a thing.


9 posted on 04/19/2012 1:51:56 PM PDT by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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The Marines are off my list since the Haditha witch hunt. We have a Marine command that will not support its own against whoring politicians. This shows the extent to which the careerist cabal that runs the Corps today will go to grovel before its political masters. If I can help it, no relative of mine will EVER join the Marines.
10 posted on 04/19/2012 1:52:37 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: OldNavyVet

“If Sarah Palin can be President, women can be Marines.”

How often does the President need to carry 100 lbs? I’m thinking, “Not often”...


11 posted on 04/19/2012 1:52:52 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: TurboZamboni

Sure. What they’ll do is lower the qualifications for the men to make it “fair”.


12 posted on 04/19/2012 1:54:58 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: Mr Rogers
From the back cover of “Joan of Arc.”

“I like Joan of Arc best of all my books, and it is the best. I know it perfectly well. And besides, it furnished me seven times the pleasure afforded me by any of the others; twelve years of preparation, and two years of writing. The others needed no preparation and got none.” Mark Twain.

13 posted on 04/19/2012 1:59:45 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: robowombat

I went through officer ITS 30 years ago. I was 25 and in extremely good shape. There were some training exercises that wore me ragged: long march, receive order, write order, issue order, implement order, finish mission, debrief, sleep a couple of hours and repeat. I’m not certain how many women can physically accomplish that schedule. Which only leads me to conclude thay they’ll modify the training.


14 posted on 04/19/2012 2:01:00 PM PDT by fini
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To: OldNavyVet

I read the book. It has no relevance to women in infantry combat.


15 posted on 04/19/2012 2:04:41 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: OldNavyVet

Samuel Clemens always was full of sh**.


16 posted on 04/19/2012 2:05:25 PM PDT by ngat
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To: Godwin1
the careerist cabal that runs the Corps today

Please Sir, consider yourself persona-non-grata amongst Marines.

17 posted on 04/19/2012 2:05:37 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

The VAST majority of women do NOT want to crawl in the mud and hunt and kill people. A few select might, but only a few.


18 posted on 04/19/2012 2:11:45 PM PDT by Clock King (Ellisworth Toohey was right: My head's gonna explode.)
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To: OldNavyVet

It’s a fact that there are some women who could possibly be good Infantry officers in my beloved Corps, but for the most part this is a dumb move. I spent 23 years in the Marine Corps. I spent time in combat units and time in support units. There is a bond between Marines in combat units that isn’t as intense in support units. Flame me if you want to, but the dynamic changes the minute a woman becomes part of a unit. You can feel it. Marines become more subdued, the trust level falls, and the female is resented because she does not have to maintain the same physical standards as her male counterparts. These are my observations over a period of 23 years. It may not be PC but it is the truth as I experienced it.


19 posted on 04/19/2012 2:17:58 PM PDT by sean327 (God created all men equal, then some become Marines!)
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To: Mr Rogers

My daughter can (SSgt, USMC).


20 posted on 04/19/2012 2:19:49 PM PDT by Sigurdrifta
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuwfgXD8qV8


21 posted on 04/19/2012 2:21:04 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Sigurdrifta

Maybe your daughter is a she-hulk. I didn’t meet very many she-hulks in the military. Neither did my daughter, who did a tour in the USMC & believes infantry should be off-limits for women...

The TRUTH is that very few women can handle the physical demands of infantry.


22 posted on 04/19/2012 2:26:26 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (A conservative can't please a liberal unless he jumps in front of a bus or off of a cliff)
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To: TurboZamboni
They have special rules at West Point and for the FBI, so I'm sure they'll have special rules for women here as well.

Special Rules for Special People.

Hopefully the enemy will treat them with a light hand as much as our govt does.

23 posted on 04/19/2012 2:29:14 PM PDT by HeartlandOfAmerica ("We have prepared for the unbeliever, whips and chains and blazing fires!" Koran Sura 76:4)
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To: robowombat

Stupid, stupid, stupid


24 posted on 04/19/2012 2:32:37 PM PDT by Last Dakotan
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To: sean327

Truth by its very definition is non-PC. PC can be defined as the government making everyone say lies are true as this one: “there’s absolutely no difference between men and women in absolutely any area of life.”


25 posted on 04/19/2012 2:34:22 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: sean327
The book "Chesty" has a story about a Marine Chaplain, Otto Sporrer, winning a Silver Star for his actions at Chosin.

That true story shows that heros come in all shapes and sizes.

26 posted on 04/19/2012 2:44:13 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: robowombat

It would have taken a year to take Iwo Jima. But at least the place would have been tidy and nicely decorated.


27 posted on 04/19/2012 2:50:39 PM PDT by BigCinBigD
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To: OldNavyVet

I DEFENDED YOU ONCE TODAY, I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK.


28 posted on 04/19/2012 2:56:27 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: robowombat

If there’s ANY aspect of today’s society left to EMASCULATE, the liberals will find and CHANGE them! A society full of emasculated men is an easily CONTROLLED society; No resistors! “A nation of sheep breeds a government of wolves”. GOODBYE AMERICA.


29 posted on 04/19/2012 3:11:24 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: robowombat


30 posted on 04/19/2012 3:29:55 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: OldNavyVet

Here are the texts of Lieutenant Commander Sporrer’s awards of the Silver Star and Bronze Star. This fellow also got into a public dispute with Ridgeway for claiming a number of the wounded in the action he recieved the Silver Star for were malingerers from the 31st Infantry Regiment of the 7th Division. I am afraid there was truth in what the Chaplain had to say about that action.

A question was this the same person who was the long time much beloved Priest at St Nicolas Church in Orange County, Ca?

Silver Star
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Awarded for actions during the Korean War

The President of the United States of America, authorized by Act of Congress July 9, 1918, takes pleasure in presenting the Silver Star (Army Award) to Lieutenant Commander (CC) Otto E. Sporrer (NSN: 0-215778), United States Navy, for gallantry in action against an armed enemy while serving as Chaplain, First Battalion, Eleventh Marines, First Provisional Marine Brigade, in action in the Yongsan area of the Naktong River, Korea, on 18 August 1950. On this date, Lieutenant Commander Sporrer, in his capacity as Catholic Chaplain visited the forward aid station of the Fifth Marines, then in attack on enemy positions of the ridges west of the Naktong River. Learning that a number of wounded were on the ridges awaiting evacuation, Lieutenant Commander Sporrer organized a litter bearing team of Korean Civilians, and, showing a high degree of courage and skill, led them through heavy small arms, automatic weapons, and mortar fire. By his leadership and example, Lieutenant Commander Sporrer encouraged the litter team to continue even after they had been pinned down by enemy fire. He then succeeded in evacuating a number of seriously wounded to the aid station. The gallantry displayed by Lieutenant Commander Sporrer reflects great credit on himself and the United States Naval Service.

General Orders: Headquarters, VIII U.S. Army, Korea (EUSAK), General Orders No. 162 (November 8, 1950)

Action Date: August 18, 1950

Service: Navy

Rank: Lieutenant Commander

Company: Chaplain

Battalion: 1st Battalion

Regiment: 11th Marines, 1st Provisional Marine Brigade

Division: 1st Marine Division (Rein.)

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Bronze Star
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Awarded for actions during the Korean War

The President of the United States of America takes pleasure in presenting the Bronze Star Medal with Combat “V” (Army Award) to Lieutenant Commander (CC) Otto E. Sporrer (NSN: 0-215778), United States Navy, for heroic achievement as a member of the First Battalion, Eleventh Marines, First Provisional Marine Brigade, on 7 August 1950 at Chindong-ni, Korea. On 7 August 1950, Lieutenant Commander Sporrer was in the vicinity of an artillery battery position which was undergoing heavy enemy counter-battery fire. The enemy scored a direct hit on a gun position causing many casualties. Without regard for his own personal safety, Lieutenant Commander Sporrer voluntarily exposed himself to the heavy fire in order to assist the wounded. Heedless of the heavy fire, he administered effective first aid and assisted in evacuating the wounded to a place of safety. The heroism displayed by Lieutenant Commander Sporrer on this occasion reflects great credit upon himself and the United States Naval Service.

General Orders: Headquarters, VIII U.S. Army, Korea (EUSAK), General Orders No. 72 (September 16, 1950)

Action Date: August 7, 1950

Service: Navy

Rank: Lieutenant Commander

Company: Chaplain

Battalion: 1st Battalion

Regiment: 11th Marines, 1st Provisional Marine Brigade

Division: 1st Marine Division (Rein.)


31 posted on 04/19/2012 3:33:30 PM PDT by robowombat
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To: fini

doesn’t matter if they could. they’re not subject to the draft like men are .( and men can’t use pregnanacy as a way to avoid deployment)

that being said, combat training would be a waste of $.
(not that the fed gub cares about wasting $)


32 posted on 04/19/2012 3:37:21 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Looting the future to bribe the present)
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To: robowombat
was this the same person ...

Yes it was. Before WW-II, he served and taught at St. Monica's in Santa Monica and his preaching, in those days (he was a German immigrant), was to stay out of WW-II.

It was shortly after Pearl Harbor that he became a Navy Chaplain.

Much later, at the 50th reunion of the class of 1943, the Chosin story was that he removed his insignia to take command and lead a successful retreat.

He sent a message to the class of 43 that he'd like to be at the reunion, but ... medical problems.

May he rest in peace.

33 posted on 04/19/2012 3:57:47 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet; Mr Rogers
If Sarah Palin can be President, women can be Marines.

Is that what the navy taught you? A blind 80 year old man in a wheel chair can be president, but he isn't a good replacement for a hard charging, heavy load carrying, quick moving, powerful, physically aggressive, warrior.

Every man that we replace with a female in the military, lowers our capability.

When two sexes are equal in many ways, but the ship is in distress, wounded need to be dragged from the flames and up the ladders, ammunition and weaponry moved by hand, warped and twisted metal manipulated with tools an raw muscle, debris shoved aside and climbed over, then the individual who is taller, and stronger, more powerful, more durable, is suddenly worth a little more than the one that was "equal, in many ways".

34 posted on 04/19/2012 4:03:28 PM PDT by ansel12 ( Romney is a Mormon Bishop, as was his father, his uncle was in line to be the Mormon Prophet/Pope)
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To: robowombat
Apparently, most of the readers here didn't bother to see that the piece is only about allowing women to be officers over infantry units in the Marines. "...allow a yet-undetermined number of female volunteers to enroll in the school that trains its infantry combat officers,..." "...to plan to open the Infantry Officers Course to women." "Officers," as differentiated from enlisted men who actually fight in combat.

Avoid buying. Become more energy and food independent. Have fun. Enjoy the slide.


35 posted on 04/19/2012 4:19:00 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: robowombat
Oh, and before a feminist commenter tries to obfuscate,...

"Enlisted women also eventually will have a chance to take infantry training, Dunford told the Times, which reported that it wasn't yet clear what path the women who complete the training would follow."

...more feminist/gender bender hoodoo. See the next Hollywood propaganda production using another service member like Lynch for social engineering, coming to a police action near you and "as seen on TV."


36 posted on 04/19/2012 4:24:01 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: robowombat
I can see the training criteria now:

Men...run 3 miles in 10 minutes, with full combat gear.

Women walk 100 meters in one hour, picking 2 flowers each on the way.

Men hike 15 miles with full gear.

Women will get into buss's and meet the men at the finish line to give them lemonade and Klennex.

Men will do the low-crawl under the live machine gun firing.

Women will fire the machine guns.

Men will run the Obstacle 'A' Course in 6 minutes.

Women will sit in the bleachers and cheer them on.

Men will be required to shoot 95 for 100 with their M-16's.

Women will borrow an M-16 from a man and then be required to point it anywhere down range and pull the trigger one time with their eyes open.

Nothing like being combat-ready.

37 posted on 04/19/2012 5:00:35 PM PDT by jmax
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To: OldNavyVet
If Sarah Palin can be President, women can be Marines.

Sarah Palin isn't President, and females lack the upper body strength to hump a combat load.

38 posted on 04/19/2012 5:31:19 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Money cannot buy happiness, but it's more comfortable to cry in a Mercedes than on a bicycle.)
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To: Coldwater Creek
I DEFENDED YOU ONCE TODAY, I MIGHT HAVE TO TAKE IT BACK.

Are you sure you have the right guy?

39 posted on 04/19/2012 6:51:15 PM PDT by OldNavyVet
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To: OldNavyVet

Oops! It was US Navy Vet.


40 posted on 04/19/2012 9:28:37 PM PDT by Coldwater Creek (He who dwells in the shelter of the Most High will rest in the shadow of the Almighty Psalm 91:)
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To: Clock King
The VAST majority of women do NOT want to crawl in the mud and hunt and kill people.

You are, of course, a woman who is speaking for women.

41 posted on 04/19/2012 11:51:09 PM PDT by Jeff Gordon (Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight, he'll just kill you.)
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To: robowombat

I have lost a hell of a lot of respect for the U.S. military, and I am a vet.

The government seems to corrupt nearly everything.

The Secret Service corruption fiasco is off the charts and beyond disturbing. It’s a perfect example of what has happened to government at every level.


42 posted on 04/20/2012 12:04:57 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Kessler has a longish story about the problems within the Secret Service. He depicts an organization that is run by managers that are primarily motivated by achieving the goals and objectives of their annual appraisals. So what is new one might say? What is new in the last 20-30 years is the institutionalization of the Senior Executive Service management model which is quasi botomline driven by achieving certain metrics that frequently are focused on Delmore tasks with level staffing or frequently less staffing. The management culture of much of fed land has come to resemble a large mediocre business conglomerate. The top managers are oriented to competing for the significant bonus payments received for meeting the various management metrics they negotiate at the start of each
rating year. Loyalty to mission or personnel take a negligible position compared to manipulating statistics and rushing to sign your organization up for what ever the latest management craze is that the bureau chief is excited about. Kessler paints the current Director of the Secret Service as a man willing to swallow reduced staffing levels and reduced budgets while demanding his staff put in more and more hours on often silly and pointless bureaucratic exercises. This sort of ‘pretend to do what is necessary to check the boxes’ mindset is inherently corrupting and produces rank and file personnel who display a crassly cynical and thoroughly jaded and exhausted and psychologically depleted persona. This is the sort of internal institutional corruption that rotted the former Soviet Union. In the end few believed in anything and all knew that they were continually being sacrificed or the ambitions or caprices of those above them.

This is the reality of what is spreading through the national government and the armed forces are far from being uncompromised.

43 posted on 04/20/2012 12:50:36 PM PDT by robowombat
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