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I am voting pro-Constitution (and Ron Paul) [Vanity]

Posted on 05/03/2012 5:00:51 PM PDT by bravedog

Well, I am voting for Ron Paul in the Texas primaries. He is the only way to stop Romney. Hear me out before you zot me. I really think that this is the correct call.

First and foremost, we need to remove Obama from his throne. I think this should be our number one priority, and believe it or not, Ron Paul polls several points higher than Romney against Obama. I have been checking the polls, and it looks like youth and independents are flocking to Paul. Obama must go.

Second, Ron Paul is 100% pro-life. This is a very big deal to me.

Third, Ron Paul wants to pull troops from overseas and use those troops to patrol the border. I think this will save a ton of cash and patrolling our border will actually control illegal immigration. I think bankrupting the country through illegal immigration is more dangerous than Iran. Additionally, this foreign policy stance matches public opinion, as the public is waning on all these foreign conflicts. This would help us against Obama in the general election.

There are several things that most of us do NOT like about Ron Paul. Examples: gay marriage and legalization of drugs. However, Ron Paul points out that these are state issues and not federal issues. As much as I disagree with the legalization of drugs and gay marriage, he is right that these are not federal issues. Why do you think we needed an amendment for alcohol prohibition? If you think the federal government has this control then you have to believe that the federal government can do whatever it wants (i.e. Obamacare, EPA, etc). You are either for the Constitution or you are against it.

Ron Paul wants to cut a trillion dollars from the budget in three years. I have been voting straight ticket Republican for 20 years and I have yet to see a real reduction in government spending. Not only does Paul want to cut spending… but I actually believe him, after losing my trust in many of our Republicans before him.

As much as some ideas are contrary to my conservative beliefs, I think that these ideas are all pro-Constitution. I think that the Constitution is the cornerstone of our republic and we can’t pick and choose when to follow it and when to ignore it.

There is more (i.e. Federal Reserve)… but these reasons are enough. These are reasons enough to think that Ron Paul is a far better choice than Romney.

I don’t think that Ron Paul will win…. but until the convention, we need to show off the GOP and MSM that we are not happy for shoving Romney down our throats. I know most Texans don’t like Ron Paul. However, my choice is clear. I am voting pro-Constitution on May 29th.

All right… let me have it... (ducking for cover)


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: constitution; convention; fraudpaul; nominee; paul4romney; paultard; rino; ronpaul
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To: Responsibility2nd

You are a glass half empty guy. If you allow the states to pick abortion then you save lives. Right now: 50 states are pro-abortion by Supreme Court mandate. If states are allowed to decide to illegalize abortion then that is a huge step in the right direction. Constitutional amendment is next.


21 posted on 05/03/2012 5:55:26 PM PDT by bravedog
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To: KevinDavis; Responsibility2nd
Sorry bud, but the 10th Amendment doesn't give States the right to deprive anyone of life without due process of law. The 10th Amendment only give States powers (not rights) it hadn't restricted or put in the hands of the federal gov or other body. The 10th Amendment doesn't give States the right to supersede the inherent rights of individuals outlined in the Constitution.

At that, this is one of those areas where Paul's philosophy is fatally flawed. Paul actually believes the 10th Amendment gives States the right to trample on individual rights, even like the 2nd Amendment. In other words, he believes rights aren't inherent but are only allowed at the whim of some governing body. (he has written about this on Rockwell's site regarding Kelo (property) and McDonald v Chicago (2nd Amendment). In both cases, he sided with the States trampling on individual rights.)

In Liberty Defined, he basically took the same approach that Romney makes for Romneycare, that the States can be free to 'experiment' with this as they see fit. He said in no uncertain terms he is fine with an individual mandate on the State level.

Paul's philosophy is almost worse (flawed Federalist) in that it creates 50 tyrannies with no protection of individual rights. Something true federalists never would support.

22 posted on 05/03/2012 5:56:05 PM PDT by mnehring
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To: bravedog

I agree with Goods on almost every issue. Why can’t we have a popular vote for him? Pisses me off. If I wasn’t in a swing state, I’d vote for him.


23 posted on 05/03/2012 5:57:39 PM PDT by goseminoles
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To: bravedog

Congressman Paul has my vote. I wanted Newt but will settle for Ron. I’m not as much a libertarian as Ron.


24 posted on 05/03/2012 6:17:55 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: bravedog

Congressman Paul has my vote. I wanted Newt but will settle for Ron. I’m not as much a libertarian as Ron.


25 posted on 05/03/2012 6:18:15 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: bravedog
You are either for the Constitution or you are against it.

Bingo!

26 posted on 05/03/2012 6:20:46 PM PDT by zzeeman ("We can evade reality, but we cannot evade the consequences of evading reality.")
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To: bravedog

go ahead and waste your vote...

Ron Paul supporters are as kooky as he is...the guy’s ship sailed and he forgot to get on board.

this was his third try so he is OUT...


27 posted on 05/03/2012 6:27:19 PM PDT by haircutter
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To: Mountain Mary

I think a lot of Ron Paul’s platform rock... but I saw him in a Paul vs. Paul debate with Krugram... I think on Bloomburg and Ron did come across as the crazy uncle, he should have been able to trash Krugman... but Ron just sat there and tossed talking points out. Obama would would stomp him in a debate if that’s all he has to offer.

Ron is going to have a lot of delegates in Tampa. I suspect he is going to make Romney life miserable... which makes me chuckle.

I have to admit... I’m not seeing how conservatives kept Socialist O or Socialist R out of the Oval Office. And I’m very depressed that Socialist O is likely to get re-elected. I’m mostly starting to focus on two things. Surviving until 2016 under Obama and making sure 2016 is the last time I have to worry about something that.


28 posted on 05/03/2012 6:29:35 PM PDT by BlueLandRed
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To: bravedog

That was my plan when Newt dropped out too, but I don’t want to encourage him to run as a 3rd party candidate because that could give 0 a 2nd term. So now I’m leaning toward leaving the top slot blank, or voting for someone who’s already dropped out but is still on the ballot. We have those computerish voting machines in Houston, is it even possible to write in a candidate?


29 posted on 05/03/2012 6:37:52 PM PDT by TropicanaRose
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To: mnehring
Paul's philosophy is almost worse (flawed Federalist) in that it creates 50 tyrannies with no protection of individual rights. Something true federalists never would support.

You are funny. Would you rather have a few states make a stupid decision (thereby restricting the stupid decision to the few states), or would you rather the federal government make a stupid decision, thereby forcing all 50 states to suffer?
The reason democrats and republicans hate each other is because they are always trying to control the other states and their particular culture. You need to petition your State government if you want to change things.

The 2nd amendment is a protected individual right. You are correct, other amendments in the bill of rights were intended to only restrict Congress (i.e. "Congress shall make no law...). In any case, NRA gives Ron Paul an A+.
30 posted on 05/03/2012 6:49:50 PM PDT by bravedog
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To: Longbow1969
So you'll be voting for the Republican nominee then? Even when it's not Ron Paul?

I will support whoever has the best chance of beating Obama, yes. Right now, that's Ron Paul.

Come on, you were going to vote for Paul no matter what.

Incorrect. Palin trumps Paul.

by their obsession with the Fed

Yep, you got me on that one. The Federal Reserve is robbing us blind and destroying our currency. At least audit the thing.
31 posted on 05/03/2012 6:56:41 PM PDT by bravedog
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To: bravedog
Ross Perot gave Bill Clinton the presidency, if we don't vote for the Republican nominee, we will give the thing to o’bummer. If you have ever used any form of birth control you have commited abortion in your heart and your mind. Some troops can be brought home, but ask yourself, do I want to fight in a foreign country or in San Diego or Miami.
32 posted on 05/03/2012 6:57:07 PM PDT by Gertie
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To: bravedog

After everybody has dropped out, I think I’m voting for Paul as well. If Paul drops out, I’ll probably write a name in.


33 posted on 05/03/2012 7:06:20 PM PDT by scripter ("You don't have a soul. You are a soul. You have a body." - C.S. Lewis)
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To: bravedog
I will support whoever has the best chance of beating Obama, yes. Right now, that's Ron Paul.

That's not what I asked. I already know you are voting for Ron Paul in the primary. I asked, specifically, if you'll be supporting the actual Republican nominee in the general election.

Incorrect. Palin trumps Paul.

Palin has never been a candidate, and you know that. Your original post to start this thread made it sound like after much consideration, and because Romney is the only other candidate left, that you decided you needed to send a message to the GOPe and vote for Ron Paul. The truth is, he's been your candidate all through the primary and your still working to get him some extra delegates.

Yep, you got me on that one. The Federal Reserve is robbing us blind and destroying our currency.

Meh. It's a bit paulbot issue, I know.

34 posted on 05/03/2012 7:20:37 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: bravedog

A flying saucer on every rooftop.


35 posted on 05/03/2012 7:20:47 PM PDT by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Windflier

Newt is still on your ballot and votes still count.


36 posted on 05/03/2012 7:35:56 PM PDT by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: onyx
Newt is still on your ballot and votes still count.

I suppose that's something to consider, even though he's dropped out.

37 posted on 05/03/2012 7:50:05 PM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Longbow1969
I asked, specifically, if you'll be supporting the actual Republican nominee in the general election.

And I answered you. Read my response. I said yes. I will vote for whoever has the best chance to beat Obama... so YES, of it really matters to you. The Republican candidate will likely have the best chance. However, right now, all polling I can find (Rasmussen, PPP) shows that Paul would outperform Romney in the general election.

The truth is, he's been your candidate all through the primary and your still working to get him some extra delegates.

Half right. I did like the rest of us... supported Cain then Newt at the start. Then Paul. I actually like Paul now and I know he would be better than Obamney. Anyone supporting the Constitution is my candidate. If you support the Constitution, then conservatism WILL follow. And yes, the more Paul delegates the better.
38 posted on 05/03/2012 7:58:17 PM PDT by bravedog
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To: mnehring
Have you actually ever read the Preamble to the Bill of Rights...you've got it almost completely backwards. The Bill of Rights restricted ONLY the Federal government...not the States. The Incorporation Doctrine related to the 14th went on to apply some of the BoR to the States, but that was NEVER the reason the Framers and Ratifiers wrote the Bill of Rights.

In case you've never read it:

"THE Conventions of a number of the States having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best insure the beneficent ends of its institution"

39 posted on 05/03/2012 8:02:18 PM PDT by mek1959
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To: KevinDavis

There is the thing called the 10th amendment.

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And??

As I said. If a Pro-Life Amendment was added to the Constitution, that would override the 10th.


40 posted on 05/03/2012 8:04:26 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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