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Is It A Sin To Vote For Mitt Romney?
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Posted on 05/11/2012 6:10:55 PM PDT by Manic_Episode

Is it a sin to vote for Mitt Romney?

Well first off if you're not a Christian don't bother reading any further. This does not apply to you and your comments/scoffs) are not solicited. Leave now.

For those of you who are saved by the blood of The Lamb and are disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ I would ask you to consider the following:

Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System

Here in the USA when we run afoul of the law we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.

In Gods system we are guilty until proven innocent,

Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". (emphasis mine)

ALL have sinned. Not some, not my neighbor, but ME and YOU. ALL. We are guilty, you and I.

In the criminal justice system of the United States the punishment has to fit the crime. In many countries around the world today Sharia Law requires that a thief's hand be cut off if caught for stealing. This seems harsh and brutal compared to the offense. We have the death penalty here in the USA but you have to do something really bad to be sentenced to die.

In Gods criminal justice system we are all guilty and sentenced to death. Done deal. It has already happened whether you know it or not:

Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death,"

So we all have sinned and the wage of that sin is death. Does the penalty fit the crime? Is this fair and just?

Absolutely! God is all about justice, kindness and righteousness.

Jeremiah 9:24

24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.

So under Gods criminal justice system one can incur the death penalty for lying? That is just? The punishment fits the crime?

Yes. First of all, I, for one, have committed WAY more than just tell a fib. After all, sin is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I am a serial offender. I am a sinner. No two ways around it. When it comes to keeping Gods commands I am a complete failure. I am bankrupt.

Understand that Gods Holiness is so great and awesome and unfathomable that it cannot be defiled by our sin and justice DEMANDS that sin be cast out of Gods presence.

The best we can come up with, our very best efforts we can muster when we try as hard as we possibly can, God refers to these as "filthy rags",

Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

The literal translation of "filthy rags" is even worse than it sounds. Try "menstruous rags" on for size. Ok, some of you are trying them on for size in real life, you know what I'm talking about. Gross.

Our best works are disgusting to God. More of Gods so called justice? Yes, when you understand His holy nature, yes indeed.

Interesting thing about Gods Justice system; He is quite reasonable in that He sets a certain price for our penalty and accepts that price from whoever can afford it.

That price is our very life, but if someone could afford to pay it off for us God would accept it.

It is such a high price that I could not afford to pay for my kids penalty because I am in debt for my own sin, but what if someone came along who could afford to pay my dept? Someone who had not incurred their own death penalty. Someone who was sinless and loved me enough to pay for my sin with their innocent life? God would and does accept that payment.

This is Gods criminal justice system: John 3:16

16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

1 John 5:11-12

11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.

Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me and for paying my way. I am in your debt forever.

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Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System Part 2

Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.

In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.

1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;

2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;

3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;

Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.

Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.

WHEN SYSTEMS COLLIDE

Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.

Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.

I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.

Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.

You cannot say you disagree with their main plank yet support that main plank with your vote. This is contradictory. They are not hiding this plank so your vote is cast with open eyes knowing this.

We as human beings are amazing in our ability to justify our actions and if we are creative enough we can justify anything, including conspiring to murder 54 million vulnerable and innocent lives.

You have blood on your hands.

The excuses come fast and easy but there is no excuse for sin. None. We must take responsibility for our own sins and yes, I am absolutely saying that voting for a party that openly supports sin is enabling that sin and participating in that sin and sinning right along with that sin.

The creative justification part of us will immediately start pointing fingers at all sorts of things trying to muddy the waters, but what can possibly top 54 MILLION SENSELESS MURDERS OF THE VULNERABLE AND INNOCENT!!?? NOTHING!!

Not war, not compassion for the poor, not social policy, not fiscal policy. Nothing. This slaughter on our own soil makes the Holocaust look like childs play in comparison.

So in sheer body count alone there is no more important thing we should be voting for above this.

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I wrote these a few years ago and would add the following thoughts:

Mitt Romney, despite his shallow words to the contrary, has a clear record of supporting abortion (not to mention homosexuality, forced health care, global warming, anti gun legislation, liberal judges, etc etc) and as such I believe I would become a co-participant in conspiracy to commit murder if I were to support him with my vote to lead our country.

I also believe what is a sin for one man may not be a sin for another based on my understanding of this passage:

Romans 14:23

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

This passage explains that if you think it is a sin then for you it is indeed a sin whether is really is a sin or not, and for others of stronger faith it is not a sin.

As I explained in my now long winded article I believe voting for someone pro choice is a sin for me, I would then ask this:

BASED ON SCRIPTURE AND REASON, how could I believe otherwise?

Don't equivocate that the survival of our country depends on Mitt winning because Obama is the boogieman.

I want to know where the flaws in my reasoning may be.

If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?


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For those of you patient enough to read my long screed I thank you.
1 posted on 05/11/2012 6:10:56 PM PDT by Manic_Episode
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To: Manic_Episode

I wouldn’t go so far as to say its a sin but only an idiot would believe that Romney is our nation’s salvation. Our salvation is an individual thing and from what I’m seeing from many conservatives these days, its a good thing I’m not counting on anyone else.


2 posted on 05/11/2012 6:14:52 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Manic_Episode

Instead of your admonition for “non-Christians” to not reply, why don’t you just wear a kick me sign?


3 posted on 05/11/2012 6:17:18 PM PDT by 1raider1
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To: Manic_Episode
Yes.

Now how about a nice AYBABTU thread?

4 posted on 05/11/2012 6:17:54 PM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Caipirabob

LOL, those were the days.


5 posted on 05/11/2012 6:18:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Manic_Episode

6 posted on 05/11/2012 6:19:02 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Julia: another casualty of the "War on Poverty")
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To: Manic_Episode

This is beyond ordinary stupid....


7 posted on 05/11/2012 6:19:07 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer, but when it is, itÂ’s the only answer.)
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To: Manic_Episode

No.


8 posted on 05/11/2012 6:20:40 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: Manic_Episode

I think it is a sin to vote for either Obama or Romney. Why? Voting for Romney would be voting for the lesser of two evils ... voting for evil whether the ‘lesser’ or not is still voting for evil. IMHO


9 posted on 05/11/2012 6:22:04 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Manic_Episode

It might be a 4th degree felony in Madagascar.


10 posted on 05/11/2012 6:22:45 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Manic_Episode

If you vote for Romney you are going to Hell.


11 posted on 05/11/2012 6:24:09 PM PDT by Berlin_Freeper (Cogito cogito)
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To: Manic_Episode

As of earlier this evening Romney was still running to be President of the USA, not for Pope or to be head of all of Christianity. or to be “messiah” like bho is thought to be by some crazed dems, socialsts.


12 posted on 05/11/2012 6:24:31 PM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: TexasNative2000

Manic_Episode.... YES!


13 posted on 05/11/2012 6:25:40 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Manic_Episode

Not a sin to vote for him...
The SIN is..... voting for him and being proud of it..
especially because he is going to take a “dive”..

The real sin is voting for him in the primary...
pitting the inventor of Romney-care against the inventor of Obama-care..
THAT is a SIN... not to speak of being stupid and vapid..


14 posted on 05/11/2012 6:25:54 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: Manic_Episode

um no its not


15 posted on 05/11/2012 6:27:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: doc1019

Its a sin not to vote


16 posted on 05/11/2012 6:29:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Two points:

First, no one gets to post a vanity to FR with instructions on who may and may not respond.

Second, in a two party system any failure to vote for the least offensive candidate is mathematically equivalent to half a vote for the most offensive candidate. By refusing to vote for Mitt Romney (as is your right) you will have essentially voted for Barak Obama.


17 posted on 05/11/2012 6:29:12 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Caipirabob

For Great Justice, yes....


18 posted on 05/11/2012 6:29:35 PM PDT by mikrofon (It's a sin that MR's the only real alternative...)
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To: doc1019
I think it is a sin to vote for either Obama or Romney. Why? Voting for Romney would be voting for the lesser of two evils ... voting for evil whether the ‘lesser’ or not is still voting for evil. IMHO

Yep. A vote for a socialist is a vote for a socialist.

Just because one gun-grabbing, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion socialist is from Chicago and has a (D) next to his name, and the other gun-grabbing, pro-gay marriage, pro-abortion socialist is from New England and has a (R) next to his name doesn't make it any better.

Anybody claiming to be a Conservative while voting for Romney is lying.
19 posted on 05/11/2012 6:33:05 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: Manic_Episode

When I was a kid I remember the older guys, the dads home from WW2 or Korea, having a word for stuff like this....IIRC, the word was - bullshit.


20 posted on 05/11/2012 6:33:42 PM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: Manic_Episode

If You want to quote Scripture You’d better be a bit more...


21 posted on 05/11/2012 6:33:44 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Manic_Episode
Sin is defined by God; I would never presume to speak for Him.

Of course you can do so if you choose.

22 posted on 05/11/2012 6:34:11 PM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: Manic_Episode

I think it is a greater sin to let 0bama win a second term. Remember, since 1981 we have had 20 of those years with prolife presidents. Where are we in this country with abortion?


23 posted on 05/11/2012 6:38:06 PM PDT by Perdogg
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To: driftdiver

Not voting is a sin? Give me chapter and verse. Voting is a right given to us by the US Constitution not something required or to my knowledge a ‘sin’.


24 posted on 05/11/2012 6:38:14 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: presidio9
Second, in a two party system any failure to vote for the least offensive candidate is mathematically equivalent to half a vote for the most offensive candidate.

Hmmm, let's see.

One party is running a pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, pro-socialism candidate from Chicago.

The other party is hell-bent on running a pro-gun control, pro-abortion, pro-gay marriage, and pro-socialism candidate from Massachusetts.

Boy howdy, that's some two party system!

If Romney had had a (D) next to his name while he was Governor, you would know what he would be? A successful two-term Democrat looking forward to continuing Obama's legacy in 2016.
25 posted on 05/11/2012 6:38:14 PM PDT by af_vet_rr
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To: presidio9
"two party system any failure to vote for the least offensive candidate is mathematically equivalent to half a vote for the most offensive candidate. By refusing to vote for Mitt Romney (as is your right) you will have essentially voted for Barak Obama."

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While you are mathematically correct, my point is my vote is accountable to The One who created math, and is beyond math.

If 1 = sin and 2 = sin I cannot vote for 1 or 2 without sinning so I must vote for 3.

From a worldly standpoint 3 = 1, but from a spiritual standpoint 3 = 3.

26 posted on 05/11/2012 6:38:34 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode
I want to know where the flaws in my reasoning may be.

Since you asked, your primary flaw lies in what is either a misunderstanding or non-understanding of the concept of grace. That, and your logic is convoluted. Otherwise, you're good.

27 posted on 05/11/2012 6:40:38 PM PDT by TexasNative2000 (Jimmy Carter's incompetence + Richard Nixon's paranoia = Barack Obama)
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To: driftdiver

You tell be which to vote for:

Satan or Ba’al

Or is the sin in the participation of such endeavors? One only needs to look to Exodus to find the answer.


28 posted on 05/11/2012 6:42:38 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: driftdiver

You tell me which to vote for:

Satan or Ba’al

Or is the sin in the participation of such endeavors? One only needs to look to Exodus to find the answer.


29 posted on 05/11/2012 6:42:55 PM PDT by EBH (The redistribution of another man's money, does not create wealth for the "greater good.")
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To: Manic_Episode

No. It is not a sin to vote against the incumbent -closest-thing-to-the-AntiChrist I’ve ever seen.


30 posted on 05/11/2012 6:46:58 PM PDT by MacMattico
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To: TexasNative2000
"your primary flaw lies in what is either a misunderstanding or non-understanding of the concept of grace."

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Romans 6:1

6 What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may increase?

31 posted on 05/11/2012 6:47:33 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode

Manic_Episode

BS...Your screen name is appropriate


32 posted on 05/11/2012 6:48:23 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Manic_Episode

Manic_Episode

BS...Your screen name is appropriate


33 posted on 05/11/2012 6:48:37 PM PDT by Irish Eyes
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To: Manic_Episode

In God’s system we are guilty if we are guilty and innocent if we are innocent. There is no “proving.” It is or it isn’t. We don’t get a lawyer when we face Judgement.


34 posted on 05/11/2012 6:49:05 PM PDT by arthurus ( Read Henry hazlitt's "Economics In One Lesson")
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To: Manic_Episode

If you join the Mormon church (obviously) or (not many know it) Scientology, it isn’t a sin!


35 posted on 05/11/2012 6:50:16 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: arthurus
"We don’t get a lawyer when we face Judgement."

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1 John 2:1

2 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. And if anyone sins, we have an Advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous;

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ad·vo·cate

tr.v. ad·vo·cat·ed, ad·vo·cat·ing, ad·vo·cates To speak, plead, or argue in favor of. See Synonyms at support.

1. One that argues for a cause; a supporter or defender: an advocate of civil rights.

2. One that pleads in another's behalf; an intercessor: advocates for abused children and spouses.

3. A lawyer.

36 posted on 05/11/2012 6:54:30 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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To: Manic_Episode

Sin lies only in hurting other people unnecessarily. All other sins are invented nonsense.


37 posted on 05/11/2012 6:54:42 PM PDT by strider44
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To: doc1019
Voting for Romney would be voting for the lesser of two evils ... voting for evil whether the ‘lesser’ or not is still voting for evil. IMHO

Did you vote for John McCain? I did. And I consider McCain to be a complete and utter piece of crap.

38 posted on 05/11/2012 6:54:42 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Manic_Episode

Brilliantly put. After all, ‘What hath light to do with darkness? Ye are children of the light...’

It is completely beyond me how anyone who considers himself a social conservative and a member of the vast ‘Christian Right’ could possibly justify voting for this guy.


39 posted on 05/11/2012 6:54:55 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Manic_Episode; af_vet_rr
Just so we're clear: Killing a defenseless Adolph Hitler is still a sin, right?

Lying to your grandmother that your grandfather never cheated on her is still a sin, right?

40 posted on 05/11/2012 6:56:45 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: 1raider1

If a candidate should not get a christians vote because he is not totaly against abortion...then no christian should ever vote for any unsaved Candidate...
arent all sins the same in God’s eyes?

who did you vote for in the last election? was He saved? did he ever support anything that could be construed as a sin?

This is not a Theocracy...it is a Constitutional republic.
Get a Life.


41 posted on 05/11/2012 6:58:26 PM PDT by LtKerst
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Define “saved.” As far as I know, all bets are off until a life is lived.


42 posted on 05/11/2012 7:03:04 PM PDT by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Manic_Episode
Did I miss something?

Is Rodney running for Pope?

43 posted on 05/11/2012 7:05:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Do I really need a sarcasm tag? Seriously? You're that dense?)
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To: rogue yam

As a matter of fact I didn’t. I voted for both Bush’s and for Reagan. I voted for other candidates on the ballot however (local).


44 posted on 05/11/2012 7:05:22 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: Manic_Episode

Have you been listening to J. Vernon? :^)


45 posted on 05/11/2012 7:07:06 PM PDT by Finny ("Raise hell. Vote smart." -- Ted Nugent * By the way, Ted, voting for Romney is voting stupid.)
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To: Manic_Episode

Absolutely not. But I’m not voting for Romney or Obama.

Christians were given brains and are expected to use them. Voting means making a judgement call. Unless the Lord tells you who to vote for, you’re expected to educate yourself and vote for whom you think best, even if that’s the lesser of two evils.

In my opinion, there is not enough difference between Romney and Obama, that I’m not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. I’m going to vote for Goode not evil.

I’ll do this in hopes that either the GOP will change course. Or that the constitution party will grow in strength and supplant the GOP.


46 posted on 05/11/2012 7:07:56 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Manic_Episode

Absolutely not. But I’m not voting for Romney or Obama.

Christians were given brains and are expected to use them. Voting means making a judgement call. Unless the Lord tells you who to vote for, you’re expected to educate yourself and vote for whom you think best, even if that’s the lesser of two evils.

In my opinion, there is not enough difference between Romney and Obama, that I’m not going to vote for the lesser of two evils. I’m going to vote for Goode not evil.

I’ll do this in hopes that either the GOP will change course. Or that the constitution party will grow in strength and supplant the GOP.


47 posted on 05/11/2012 7:08:12 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Manic_Episode

I think the fundamental error is presuming to know God’s will. He is in total control; if you vote for Romney and he wins, God is in control; if you don’t vote for Romney and he wins, God is in control; if you vote for Romney and he loses, God is in control; if you don’t vote for Romney and he loses, God is in control. Things are moving according to His plan. So, stay home and don’t vote or go to the polls and vote for whomever you like. You will not alter God’s plans either way, although you run some risk in attempting to persuade others to your point of view. Since you quoted Paul, remember also that just before the quote you started this thread with, he said, “So whatever you believe about these things keep them between yourself and God. Blessed are those who do not condemn themselves by what they approve.”


48 posted on 05/11/2012 7:12:13 PM PDT by Hootowl
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To: Manic_Episode

Frankly, whether or not it would be a sin is immaterial. I will not vote for either Romama or Obamney!


49 posted on 05/11/2012 7:12:48 PM PDT by oldfart (Obama nation = abomination. Think about it!)
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To: Finny
McGee? I shut him off years ago when I heard him say miracles were not for today.

Plus he's been dead for 25 years :p

50 posted on 05/11/2012 7:12:55 PM PDT by Manic_Episode (Politics is fake. I think it's owned by Vince Mcmahon)
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