Posted on 05/11/2012 6:10:55 PM PDT by Manic_Episode
Is it a sin to vote for Mitt Romney?
Well first off if you're not a Christian don't bother reading any further. This does not apply to you and your comments/scoffs) are not solicited. Leave now.
For those of you who are saved by the blood of The Lamb and are disciples of The Lord Jesus Christ I would ask you to consider the following:
Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System
Here in the USA when we run afoul of the law we are presumed innocent until proven guilty.
In Gods system we are guilty until proven innocent,
Romans 3:23 "for ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God". (emphasis mine)
ALL have sinned. Not some, not my neighbor, but ME and YOU. ALL. We are guilty, you and I.
In the criminal justice system of the United States the punishment has to fit the crime. In many countries around the world today Sharia Law requires that a thief's hand be cut off if caught for stealing. This seems harsh and brutal compared to the offense. We have the death penalty here in the USA but you have to do something really bad to be sentenced to die.
In Gods criminal justice system we are all guilty and sentenced to death. Done deal. It has already happened whether you know it or not:
Romans 6:23 says "For the wages of sin is death,"
So we all have sinned and the wage of that sin is death. Does the penalty fit the crime? Is this fair and just?
Absolutely! God is all about justice, kindness and righteousness.
Jeremiah 9:24
24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight," declares the LORD.
So under Gods criminal justice system one can incur the death penalty for lying? That is just? The punishment fits the crime?
Yes. First of all, I, for one, have committed WAY more than just tell a fib. After all, sin is breaking one of the Ten Commandments. I am a serial offender. I am a sinner. No two ways around it. When it comes to keeping Gods commands I am a complete failure. I am bankrupt.
Understand that Gods Holiness is so great and awesome and unfathomable that it cannot be defiled by our sin and justice DEMANDS that sin be cast out of Gods presence.
The best we can come up with, our very best efforts we can muster when we try as hard as we possibly can, God refers to these as "filthy rags",
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;
The literal translation of "filthy rags" is even worse than it sounds. Try "menstruous rags" on for size. Ok, some of you are trying them on for size in real life, you know what I'm talking about. Gross.
Our best works are disgusting to God. More of Gods so called justice? Yes, when you understand His holy nature, yes indeed.
Interesting thing about Gods Justice system; He is quite reasonable in that He sets a certain price for our penalty and accepts that price from whoever can afford it.
That price is our very life, but if someone could afford to pay it off for us God would accept it.
It is such a high price that I could not afford to pay for my kids penalty because I am in debt for my own sin, but what if someone came along who could afford to pay my dept? Someone who had not incurred their own death penalty. Someone who was sinless and loved me enough to pay for my sin with their innocent life? God would and does accept that payment.
This is Gods criminal justice system: John 3:16
16"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.
1 John 5:11-12
11And this is the testimony: God has given us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12He who has the Son has life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have life.
Jesus, I accept you as my Savior and my Lord. Thank you for loving me and for paying my way. I am in your debt forever.
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Gods Criminal Justice System VS Mans Criminal Justice System Part 2
Here in the US someone can be convicted of murder without ever having actually killed anyone, but because they were "in on it" they are guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.
In order to be guilty of conspiracy to commit murder a prosecutor must prove 3 elements to gain a conviction.
1.) The defendant intended to agree and did agree with someone to commit murder;
2.) At the time of the agreement, the defendant and [one or more of] the other alleged member[s] of the conspiracy intended that one or more of them would commit murder;
3.) (The/One of the) defendant[s] of coparticipant[s] or (both/ all) of them] committed [at least one of] the overt act[s] alleged to accomplish the murder;
Examples of this crime would be hiring a hitman. The person paying for the murder is just as guilty as the hitman.
Charles Manson claims he never killed anyone but he has been in prison for nearly 40 years for conspiracy.
WHEN SYSTEMS COLLIDE
Abortion is a perfectly legal murder in mans criminal justice system, but I submit that in Gods criminal justice system it is a sin of the most heinous sort, one that brutally ends the life of our most vulnerable and innocent members to the tune of a staggering 54 MILLION VICTIMS in the US alone, and counting.
Those directly responsible are quite obvious, but what of the coparticipants? Those that have conspired against these 54 million vulnerable innocent crime victims? It takes a massively wide conspiracy of unbelievable proportions to accomplish a crime of this unfathomable magnitude.
I submit that all those who keep this sin legal are just as guilty as those who are direct participants.
Abortion is a main plank of the Democratic platform. When you vote for a party you are putting your seal of approval on that platform. You are agreeing and supporting their goals when you cast your vote for their party.
You cannot say you disagree with their main plank yet support that main plank with your vote. This is contradictory. They are not hiding this plank so your vote is cast with open eyes knowing this.
We as human beings are amazing in our ability to justify our actions and if we are creative enough we can justify anything, including conspiring to murder 54 million vulnerable and innocent lives.
You have blood on your hands.
The excuses come fast and easy but there is no excuse for sin. None. We must take responsibility for our own sins and yes, I am absolutely saying that voting for a party that openly supports sin is enabling that sin and participating in that sin and sinning right along with that sin.
The creative justification part of us will immediately start pointing fingers at all sorts of things trying to muddy the waters, but what can possibly top 54 MILLION SENSELESS MURDERS OF THE VULNERABLE AND INNOCENT!!?? NOTHING!!
Not war, not compassion for the poor, not social policy, not fiscal policy. Nothing. This slaughter on our own soil makes the Holocaust look like childs play in comparison.
So in sheer body count alone there is no more important thing we should be voting for above this.
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I wrote these a few years ago and would add the following thoughts:
Mitt Romney, despite his shallow words to the contrary, has a clear record of supporting abortion (not to mention homosexuality, forced health care, global warming, anti gun legislation, liberal judges, etc etc) and as such I believe I would become a co-participant in conspiracy to commit murder if I were to support him with my vote to lead our country.
I also believe what is a sin for one man may not be a sin for another based on my understanding of this passage:
Romans 14:23
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
This passage explains that if you think it is a sin then for you it is indeed a sin whether is really is a sin or not, and for others of stronger faith it is not a sin.
As I explained in my now long winded article I believe voting for someone pro choice is a sin for me, I would then ask this:
BASED ON SCRIPTURE AND REASON, how could I believe otherwise?
Don't equivocate that the survival of our country depends on Mitt winning because Obama is the boogieman.
I want to know where the flaws in my reasoning may be.
If you are a Christian and believe otherwise, how did you come to your conclusion based on scripture and reason?
I dissagree. God will try to use whatever candidate we choose to teach us. But the fact is, that God gave dominion of the earth over to man. It's men that vote for the candidates. God may try to pick up the pieces, but that doesn't make our votes "beside the point" or irrelevant, which is what your post seemed to be saying.
Just like everything that happens is not God's will. It's never God's will that people sin, but they do. It's never God's will that people reject him and die in their ins, and thus face the second death, but they do.
“Render unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s, and unto God the things that are God’s”
I take offense at that.
I'm supporting Virgil Goode. I'm not supporting either Romney or Obama. I don't see Romney as any better than Obama. But that certainly doesn't mean I support either.
They are both horrible horrible candidates, and it worries me that our country has fallen so low that both major parties have put up uber-liberals for us to vote for.
I take offense at that.
I'm supporting Virgil Goode. I'm not supporting either Romney or Obama. I don't see Romney as any better than Obama. But that certainly doesn't mean I support either.
They are both horrible horrible candidates, and it worries me that our country has fallen so low that both major parties have put up uber-liberals for us to vote for.
I take offense at that.
I'm supporting Virgil Goode. I'm not supporting either Romney or Obama. I don't see Romney as any better than Obama. But that certainly doesn't mean I support either.
They are both horrible horrible candidates, and it worries me that our country has fallen so low that both major parties have put up uber-liberals for us to vote for.
I take offense at that.
I'm supporting Virgil Goode. I'm not supporting either Romney or Obama. I don't see Romney as any better than Obama. But that certainly doesn't mean I support either.
They are both horrible horrible candidates, and it worries me that our country has fallen so low that both major parties have put up uber-liberals for us to vote for.
I take offense to your support of Obama. A vote for Virgil is a vote for Obama.
“If You want to quote Scripture You’d better be a bit more LDS...”I’m sorry... I thought there was a hat with a rock in it.....
Didn’t mean to post that 4 times, but I really take offense to that.
Besides if you’re supporting Romney, then your supporting Obama’s policies. Because Romney’s policies are almost identical to Obama’s.
So you’re close to supporting Obama than I am.
wow 4 posts, must be feelin guilty for supporting Obama.
A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama's policies, because they are identical. It's you that is supporting socialism, government controlled healthcare, sodomy=marriage, abortion, anti gun laws, and all the crap that Romney and Obama stand for.
A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama's policies, because they are identical. It's you that is supporting socialism, government controlled healthcare, sodomy=marriage, abortion, anti gun laws, and all the crap that Romney and Obama stand for.
All of this is built on a false assumption - no Christian is under the obligation to vote for either man. As you point out, BOTH men are enemies of the Cross. Any Christian who wishes to withhold a vote from either man can simply skip that line or vote for another candidate.
Ironically, the more moral appearing of the two is probably the bigger enemy of traditional Christianity. By all appearances, Obama is as you described a post-Christian, neo-pagan who is generally indifferent to religion (unless he thinks he can use it push his socialism) while Romney is an ardent supporter of a false gospel and probably on a fast track to become one of the highest leaders in this false church once he leaves politics. Given the choice on this dimension, I'd rather have the wolf in wolf's clothing than the wolf is sheep's clothing. The former is generally far less dangerous than the latter.
I think that Christians need to ask themselves "How is voting for an enemy of the Cross serving Christ?"
The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the sacharrine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not recieve this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history. [Robert Heinlein]
Sorry. We can agree to disagree. I know this is a pro-god site. I’ve been posting for over 10 years. I’m here for the conservatism, not the religon. But this nonsense about voting for Romney being a sin is ridiculous.
I’m happily married, have 3 kids, am pro-life. Military officer with many deployments. I’ve never had more loathing for a politician than Obama. He must go or we’re finished.
If your religon gives you comfort that’s swell. I just hope folks of all stripes that are conservative can agree that Bammy must go. God won’t have anything to do with it.
A vote for Mittens is a vote for the GOP candidate who has to answer to the GOP elites. Far far from perfect but they don’t hate America. Want a better candidate then get involved in the process. Not voting only pushes the GOP further to the left.
Mittens can be influenced and he won’t risk the very lives of our children.
Although not directed at me, I'm sure that DannyTN would agree. I'm leaning toward a vote for Goode but whether I do or not, I will never vote for Romney. (Related to this thread, I have said repeatedly on FR that I wouldn't vote for Mitt Romney if he were an evangelical Christian - his politics stink that much.)
However, if I do vote for Goode, I don't care one iota what you think. I answer to Jesus Christ, not you. My Christian conscience is 100% clear by not voting for either Romney or Obama.
“I think it is a sin to vote for either Obama or Romney.”
Is it a sin to enable the re-election of a Christian hating Muslim?
Romney is an extreme liberal pretending to be a moderate or, at times, a conservative. A pretender will never get my vote. I vote for honesty, if honesty is not there, I don’t vote (that old conviction thingy hounds me day and night).
Sorry, my convictions stand ... when I stand before God, I can say, with a clear conscience “I didn’t vote for either” because both were unworthy.
So, my choices are between a socialist/communist and a person that doesn’t have the ability or brains to realize that he is a member of a cult. Gee, choices, choices ... not my call.
Yes you will answer to Jesus. We all will.
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