Posted on 05/29/2012 6:09:50 AM PDT by radioone
Who would have guessed that Barack Obama was the original birther, peddling the story that he was born in Kenya long before Donald Trump, Sheriff Joe and assorted nut jobs took it up as a crusade in fantasy and futility.
Mr. Obama’s literary agent put together a little booklet with a biographical sketch in 1991 to promote a book he never finished with a description of the author as “the first African-American president of the Harvard Law Review … born in Kenya and raised in Indonesia and Hawaii.”
The literary agent now insists it was her mistake and Mr. Obama never saw the booklet until it was published. An unlikely story, but like everything else about him, it’s an element in the portrait of a composite president, a man with composite ambitions, composite convictions and a composite past populated by girlfriends he now concedes were composites, too.
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You’re wrong IF he was born in Hawaii. Birth on US soil imparts natural born US citizen status. This is the “anchor baby” problem. On the other hand, if Obongo was born in Kenya, or Canada, he is not a US citizen at all. Commie baby-momma wasn’t old enough to confer citizenship on offspring and of course the baby-daddy wasn’t a US citizen at all. There’s also the question of how he got an Indonesian passport without renouncing any US citizenship he may, or may not, have had.
You have confused natural born with NATIVE born. This is the same reason why Bobby Jindal of LA and Marco Rubio of FL are not valid choices for VP.
"The Constitution does not define the meaning of “natural born Citizen.” The U.S. Supreme Court gives meaning to terms that are not expressly defined in the Constitution by looking to the context in which those terms are used; to statutes enacted by the First Congress, Marsh v. Chambers, 463 U.S. 783, 790-91 (1983); and to the common law at the time of the Founding. United Suites v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649, 655 (1898). These sources all confirm that the phrase “natural born” includes both birth abroad to parents who were citizens, and birth within a nation’s territory and allegiance. Thus, regardless of the sovereign status of the Panama Canal Zone at the time of Senator McCain’s birth, he is a “natural born” citizen because he was born to parents who were U.S. citizens.
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Indeed, the statute that the First Congress enacted on this subject not only established that such children are U.S. citizens, but also expressly referred to them as “natural born citizens.” Act of Mar. 26, 1790, ch. 3, § 1, 1 Stat. 103, 104.
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Historical practice confirms that birth on soil that is under the sovereignty of the United States, but not within a State, satisfies the Natural Born Citizen Clause. For example, Vice President Charles Curtis was born in the territory of Kansas on January 25, 1860 — one year before Kansas became a State. Because the Twelfth Amendment requires that Vice Presidents possess the same qualifications as Presidents, the service of Vice President Curtis verifies that the phrase “natural born Citizen” includes birth outside of any State but within U.S. territory. Similarly, Senator Barry Goldwater was born in Arizona before its statehood, yet attained the Republican Party’s presidential nomination in 1964. And Senator Barack Obama was born in Hawaii on August 4, 1961 — not long after its admission to the Union on August 21, 1959. We find it inconceivable that Senator Obama would have been ineligible for the Presidency had he been born two years earlier."
As you indicate, we need this resolved sooner rather than later with such cases as Rubio and Jindal in the mix, not to mention the 300,000 to 400,000 anchor babies born each year and our total foreign born population of over 40 million.
Where do you get that definition? It is not in the Constitution.
I think you are confusing citizenship with natural born citizenship, as required by the Constitution for the office of President.
The example of McCain is questionable, but at least he had two citizen parents. Barack Obama had one citizen parent, whom was too young to convey citizenship under the laws at the time if BO was born abroad.
What is the source of your second citation?
I find the coincidence amazing that in 2008, in a nation of over 300 million people, both major political parties would nominate individuals for the highest job in the land who might not meet the citizenship requirement for the job. What are the odds of that?
Could it be the Republican establishment ran McCain in order to deflect attention from Obama’s inability to meet the natural born requirement? Had Obama’s natural born status become an issue, the media would have jumped all over McCain being born outside the USA.
Since the term does not appear to be defined at the time it was used, it will be hard to prove either way.
1790 writings from the First Congress to define a citizen as natural born if both parents were US citizens was specific only to those born on Foreign Soil.
My understanding is not to add additional requirements to what was in the Constitution. Natural Born Citizen means to me, by the conditions of my birth, I was born a citizen; no additional requirements such as naturalization.
Those that want to add additional requirements to this clause, should consider the 1st and 2nd admendments and what requirements liberals would add to those.
If Obama was born abroad out of wedlock, he would still be considered a natural born citizen. If his parents were married, it would be a different matter.
>> You have confused natural born with NATIVE born <<
You would appear have confused nonsense with common sense:
Any competent lawyer can tell you there really is no difference in today’s legal context between “natural born” and “native born.” The 14th Amendment makes the matter certain. Moreover, even before that Amendment was passed, British common law on the subject would have trumped Vattel any day.
But no reason to believe me. Just go and make your erroneous “Vattelistic” argument before any federal judge in the land, and you’ll be dismissed from the court forthwith, even laughed out of the building. Moreover, you’ll be lucky if you aren’t charged court costs for bringing a frivilous action.
The same resolution that Obama himself sponsored and signed? SR 511?
Got anything else? For the record, I’m not 100% convinced that McCain is NBC either.
It seems likely that Mr. Obama has a problem then, doesn’t it?
Obama’s parents were married, and from 1991 - 2007, his publicist (and by extension, Obama himself) claimed he was born in Kenya.
Looks like this falls under your “different matter” category...
I don’t get this.
The agent says she made a mistake listing that he was born in Kenya.
Where did she ever get the idea that he was born overseas?
After all, to paraphrase Joe Biden and Harry Reid, Obama appears to be a clean nice looking guy, without a Negro dialect. Why would someone have any reason to meet him and think he was obviously born in another country???
Clearly, she was told that he was born in Kenya. Maybe we’ll never find the smoking gun on that one. But it’s not believable that she just happened to think he was born in Kenya, and that it was her own personal mistake, and that she wasn’t fed this information from someone else.
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