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Eliminate the Mortgage Interest Deduction Now
Shout Bits Blog ^ | 06/18/2012 | Shout Bits

Posted on 06/18/2012 9:48:44 AM PDT by Shout Bits

Shout Bits has argued that the Mortgage Interest Deduction is not so helpful to regular Americans, but with interest rates at historic lows, now is the time to eliminate this market distortion. Not only does the MID encourage buying unaffordable homes and promote market bubbles, the primary beneficiaries are wealthy individuals as large banks. Eliminating this deduction would actually help most ordinary homeowners.

For 2012, a couple filing jointly can claim an $11,900 standard deduction, even if they have no otherwise deductible expenses like mortgage interest. Therefore, the first $11,900 in mortgage interest paid by such a couple generates no tax savings for them. Today's national average 30 year fixed mortgage coupon rate is 3.8%, which means that a mortgage smaller than $313k (11900/.038) generates no tax savings for a couple filing jointly. Now, a $300k mortgage is not unheard of, but it is clearly not for the struggling working class.

Since the first $313k of a mortgage balance is not deductible, the tax incentive is to borrow as much as possible. After all, Uncle Sam is kicking in about a third of the interest expense above $11,900. Further, the tax code discourages paying down mortgage balances, since as interest payments fall, so does that tax benefit. This perverse incentive leads to speculative bubbles which burst when incomes fall below the point where an income tax deduction is available. The MID certainly contributed to the real estate crash of 2008.

Worse still, a recent study by Andrew Hanson at Georgia State University concludes that the tax code's reach into the mortgage market increases mortgage rates for modest homeowners. Mortgage lenders siphon off 9 to 17% of the government's subsidy intended for homeowners (as much as $1.7bln per year) in the form of higher rates. Not only does the MID not benefit smaller borrowers at all, according to Prof. Hanson's study, it costs them hundreds of dollars extra, even if they cannot take an interest deduction.

It is always wrong, corrupt, and perverting for the government to manipulate markets as it does with the MID, but now is the perfect storm of minimal benefits and maximum harm. Mortgage rates cannot fall much further due to structural cost limits, so the interest deduction benefit is nearly as small as it ever can be. Likewise, with tighter lending criteria, only the well-off can qualify for loans big enough to earn an interest deduction above $11,900.

With the Federal Government looking for ways to raise taxes, the very worst choice would be raise marginal rates. Instead, a flatter and broader based tax code is the answer that is more just and stable. Eliminating a deduction that only benefits the well-off, while harming modest borrowers and enriching big banks, is an obvious choice. The time is now.

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To: rogue yam

“The author makes a good argument for eliminating the mortgage interest deduction.”

Not really, he makes a good argument on cutting the knees out of the housing market.

Why do you think a tax increase is a good thing?


21 posted on 06/18/2012 10:18:42 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Shout Bits

Tell ya what.
Eliminate property taxes so that we can truly own our homes and land, instead of paying rent on them to the government, and we’ll talk about getting rid of the mortgage deduction.
Until think go ‘way.


22 posted on 06/18/2012 10:20:56 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed

All:

Yes, of course cutting spending is the largest challenge. The big three (military, Medicaid, and Social Security) cannot continue uncut without bankrupting the USA. The math is obvious.

I personally think a low flat tax like the one Steve Forbes proposed is the best answer to the necessary evil of taxation.

The article is targeted to one of hundreds of deductions that must be eliminated to get to that goal.


23 posted on 06/18/2012 10:21:53 AM PDT by Shout Bits
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To: RinaseaofDs
Only the Progressives think taxes are always good, with more taxes being better.

Here's what I think ~ the federal personal income tax, which is only one of many taxes, was sold to the people of this country by Progressive Republicans under the stipulation that it would never apply to any but the top 1% or 2% of wage earners.

Today it's ripping off 53% of wage earners.

That proves it is a fraud, and a failure.

Best to abolish the federal personal income tax as just another failed federal program that's long outlived its utility.

24 posted on 06/18/2012 10:22:50 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: E. Pluribus Unum; BlackElk
The net result would be to continue forcing the price of houses down to their actual value.

We live in a world where poeple already own homes, bought in good faith, who have taken a huge hit. We lost 25-30% value on our own home, pushing us underwater. That is an interesting form of "inflation." Push down the values even more, and more people start walking on their mortgages.

If the policy was being made in a vacuum, we could have a talk. I accept the lost value as part of the risk of buying the home, exacerbated by government policy and big bank monkey business.

In any event, my original point that we should eb talking about reducing taxes, and not figuring out which taxes could be raised is the true conservative position. I double-dog guarantee you that the increased revenue, if any, from eliminating the home mortgage deduction will be thrown away on crap, regardless of whether it is Romney crap or Obama crap.
25 posted on 06/18/2012 10:23:17 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: Shout Bits
Here's a surprise for you ~ Social Security, Medicaid, and potentially the military, either have or can have their own separate funding mechanisms.

If you abolish SS and Medicaid you would, of course, need to refund about $6 trillion to the people you took it from and which is as yet unspent. You can't just take that money and build highways and resthomes for illegal alien workers. You need to give it back. That'll run the national debt up over $21 Trillion.

Now, DOD, and this won't be popular ~ but DOD can exact tribute from client states. That's how it was done in the good old days. No reason we can't revise that custom.

26 posted on 06/18/2012 10:26:32 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Shout Bits

Eliminating the mortgage deduction will absolutely crush the remaining breath out of US real estate. There are a huge amount of people that are paying their mortgages now, are not upside down but do not have enough equity to refinance at market levels today, would simply walk away from their home if they lose the tax deduction. I know I would.


27 posted on 06/18/2012 10:26:51 AM PDT by Cyman
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To: Shout Bits

The answer is to do away with the income tax all together. It’s not the Govt’s business how much I make, what I pay for mortgage interest, how many kids I have, what I give to charity, if I am married etc, etc, etc...

The income tax has always been a scheme for Politicians to get into your personal business and then try and control your choices.


28 posted on 06/18/2012 10:27:21 AM PDT by JohnKinAK
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To: Jacquerie

The borrower isn’t paying income tax on the transaction. The mortgage interest deduction is to allow the borrower to exclude from income tax money that is paid out as mortgage interest.

All other interest payments are with after-tax dollars, except if you borrow money for investment, in which case you can deduct the cost of borrowing from the gains of the investment.

When you buy a loaf of bread, the store pays tax on the profit, but you don’t get to deduct the cost of the bread from your taxes.

We should elimate all income tax deductions and charges for interest. No deductions for mortgage, no payments for interest received.

Of course, then the government couldn’t get favorable borrowing by giving tax exemption for their interest payments.


29 posted on 06/18/2012 10:27:21 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Shout Bits
The minute you treat ordinary personal income the same as capital gains you might get a favorable response from somebody. There 100% of your personal expenses would be deductible ~ quite a jump in fact!

Why should only the rich get to write off that stuff.

30 posted on 06/18/2012 10:29:16 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Sivana
“The net result of eliminating it right now would be to further depress the price of homes”

You got that right it would be an economic disaster. People just scraping by would walk away from their mortgage and rightly so since the rules of the game get changed in mid stream. If they wanted to spark an insurrection in this country that would be a good way to do it.

31 posted on 06/18/2012 10:29:56 AM PDT by MCF
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To: Shout Bits

Spending must be cut first or no tax scheme will ever be enough.

The flat tax folks need to beat the drum for spending cuts before deduction cuts.


32 posted on 06/18/2012 10:29:56 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: muawiyah
If you abolish SS and Medicaid you would, of course, need to refund about $6 trillion to the people you took it from and which is as yet unspent. You can't just take that money and build highways and resthomes for illegal alien workers.

The fact of the matter is the money has already been spent. You can't "give it back". It is gone. Whatever money there is in the future will be earned by future private sector workers and investors.

33 posted on 06/18/2012 10:30:06 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Little Ray; Shout Bits
Eliminate property taxes so that we can truly own our homes and land, instead of paying rent on them to the government, and we’ll talk about getting rid of the mortgage deduction.

Right on the mark. In my case, I'm paying HIGHER property taxes than my mortgage!

shout bits, what's your opinion?

34 posted on 06/18/2012 10:30:33 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Shout Bits
If I were looking for a baby step in tax code reform, I would start with eliminating the deduct-ability of State and Local Tax.

No reason to get a federal subsidy for living in a high tax blue state/city.

This would also put more pressure on the high tax governments.

35 posted on 06/18/2012 10:30:36 AM PDT by lack-of-trust
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“The net result would be to continue forcing the price of houses down to their actual value. “

Actual value is what someone wants to pay. Increasing taxes to discourage home ownership is nothing but market manipulation.

Why do you want to depress home values further?


36 posted on 06/18/2012 10:31:56 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: rogue yam
Why should government be in the business of inflating real estate prices?

Keeping more of your money is not inflating prices. That is the same mindset that assumes it is all the governments money first. Taxing mortgage interest depresses the value. Why should government embark on a policy of charging people more for having a mortgage than they had been?

Right now, due to oversupply, houses are not overpriced. I build my own house. I know what every part of its construction cost. The houses that are already built (in many areas) are selling for less than the cost of the materials that went in to build them plus the cost of teh land (and we are not talking about expensive land areas; we paid $11K/acre, a smallish portion of the total cost).

If such a change were to be implemented as part of a larger tax overhaul, and not merely a tax increase on note-holding home-owners, it would have to be phased in so as not to shock the system.
37 posted on 06/18/2012 10:32:08 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: Shout Bits
It does not take a genius to figure that when interest rates are at a record low the interest deduction is not as valuable. It also does not take a genius to figure that such low rates are rare and will not always be around.

This article does not seem that well thought out.

If you think what we are experiencing is a real estate collapse just wait and see what happens if interest deductiblity is removed.

38 posted on 06/18/2012 10:35:53 AM PDT by arrogantsob (Obama must Go.)
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To: lack-of-trust
If I were looking for a baby step in tax code reform, I would start with eliminating the deduct-ability of State and Local Tax.

No reason to get a federal subsidy for living in a high tax blue state/city.

This would also put more pressure on the high tax governments.


I like your way of thinking, except that I would simulataneously raise the standard deduction so that we don't wind up with a net tax increase. Oh, and lets also raise the $600 threshold for reporting income. That is so 1970's. Make it more like $3K. Cuts out lots of paperwork.
39 posted on 06/18/2012 10:36:02 AM PDT by Dr. Sivana ("You forget, it isn't who you claim, but instead, who claims you. We don't claim you!")
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To: Shout Bits

Eliminate the unconstitutional departments of Education, Homeland inSecurity, energy, labor, health and human services, communist arts and propaganda, ATF, HUD, etc. and then we will talk about screwing the middle class out of their only tax deduction.


40 posted on 06/18/2012 10:36:24 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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