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To: FredZarguna
"If there are a thousand votes, 500 ‘Pubs could be changed to 500 Dems, but 500 ‘Pub votes could not be deleted. Nor could 500 Dems be added."/p>

Fred, the exchange of votes will accomplish the task, and invalidate the election. Election manipulation is executed by skillful people. Look at how easily Google hid the Supreme Court decisions edited by Center for American Progress CIO, Eric Malamud. When the left, and only the left, because the SEIU manages the voting network, they can be expected to maintain the count. This might have been a close election. We will never know, because that was the story promoted by the state-run media. Were I working for them that would be the message I would propogate to prepare the public for a reportedly close election.

Machines create an entirely unjustified feeling of confidence. They hide the intent of voters. Smart fraud perpetrators will maintain the count, as they failed to do in some districts of Ohio and Colorado, where there were ten percent more votes than registered voters. The details can only be guesses. What is not a guess, what we know with certainty, is that our voting system provides no audit trail in most cases, and, since what paper ballots there are have been under the control of the SEIU, no means of ascertaining the intent of our citizens.

I have been a poll watcher, which simply confirmed the helplessness of concerned citizens. The numbers of voters using absentee ballots ranges from about twenty to almost one hundred percent. Absentee ballots are counted by SEIU employees in most states. Obama was once a trainer for Project Vote, a Soros funded political organization. Does anyone doubt that the SEIU will report whatever will insure their incomes and pensions?

Republicans have been unwilling to aggressively address the security of our election system for reasons we can only guess at. Their laizzez faire approach to the kernel of the representation of the the wishes of citizens has all but given away our freedom to govern ourselves. We will pay and pay for ten thousand Solyndras, accept Sharia law, accept carbon taxes which the world's largest manufacturer, China, has declared complete nonsense, and has refused to accede to for China's airlines, promising to end air travel to and from Europe by China's airlines. Europe backed down, as they had to. But we will pay, because now we have no longer have the freedom to choose.

Without paper ballots and local counting, removing the count from unionized government thugs (and I have personally seen them threaten poll watchers who tried to stand behind them in absentee counting rooms), our path to Ortega-like socialism will accelerate. As companies fail at greater rates, and savings are destroyed by devaluation, desperation will set in. This is the brilliant plan by Cloward and Piven for the destruction of capitalism. What Cloward and Piven didn't understand, never having run a company or worked in the private sector, is that other nations saw what worked, and are replacing us, first with free markets, and eventually, with the social freedoms aroung which we were founded.

Electoral correction cannot happen for at least two years. With the extent of our corruption, that is a very long shot. Ayn Rand was remarkably prescient, but she saw the Bolschevic revolution destroy Russia. Conservatives will need to prevail in both houses, and have sufficient votes to overcome a certain veto, to impose a clean electoral system. The reality was shown when Republican gained state governorships. A measure of state sovereignty may be the only way to overcome the amazing corruption in our federal government.

95 posted on 11/08/2012 4:05:12 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Spaulding
Fred, the exchange of votes will accomplish the task, and invalidate the election

As I made clear, this is possible. What is NOT possible is to lose votes (which we did) via fraud. And what is much more difficult than the conspiracy theorists realize is manufacturing votes on election day (which the enemy did.)

However, looking at the exit polling Demographics, and the preliminary who-voted-where precinct counts, it's pretty clear that contrary to our expectations, 0bama actually turned out his base. It was, after all is said and done, a base -- and therefore turnout -- election, and ours is shrinking.

Finally, you and I must agree to disagree about absentee ballot counting. I don't know where these are counted by SEIU. I've heard this repeated several times on FR. To my knowledge, this is untrue. In my state (PA) they are counted at the same time the other votes are counted: when the polls close, and by the same people: the election judge and his clerks, and they are counted in public before representatives of both parties. Those are usually lawyers, picked by their respective parties. And they aren't people who can be intimidated.

There's fraud. I don't dispute that. But if you think we lost this election because of fraud, expect to keep using that excuse, because we are going to keep losing elections as long as people believe that.

96 posted on 11/08/2012 4:45:40 PM PST by FredZarguna (I'm sorry, General Washington. We owed you and the men at Valley Forge so much more than this.)
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To: Spaulding

Bravo on your post 95.


97 posted on 11/08/2012 4:50:21 PM PST by exit82 ("The Taliban is on the inside of the building" E. Nordstrom 10-10-12)
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