Kirk and Manchin don't support Schumer background-check proposal (Schumer getting nowhere)

The Hill ^ | 3/6/13 | Daniel Strauss

[cotton1706]

Sens. Mark Kirk (R-Ill.) and Joe Manchin (D-W.Va.) are not backing gun background-check legislation to be introduced by Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.).

All three senators have been working, along with Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), on compromise universal background-check legislation for gun purchasers. Those negotiations appeared to slow this week with the group of senators in an apparent deadlock over a bill by Schumer that would would require a background check for virtually every gun sale and require private sellers to verify the person they are selling to is not prohibited from buying a firearm.

"We are committed to continuing to work in a bipartisan effort with Sens. Schumer, Coburn and others in order to find a commonsense solution for enhanced background checks, however, Sen. Schumer's current proposal is one we cannot support as it stands today," the two senators said in a statement Wednesday evening. "Our goal is to pass a bill that will close loopholes in the current background check process in a way that does not burden law-abiding citizens.

"Any bill we support will guarantee that Americans’ Second Amendment rights are clearly protected," they added. "We simply want to make sure firearms do not end up in the hands of convicted criminals or people who are deemed mentally unstable by court ruling.

"While the bill Sen. Schumer introduced today doesn’t meet this standard, we will continue to work with Sen. Schumer, Sen. Coburn and other colleagues to find a commonsense compromise," the senators continued in a statement.

[cotton1706]

Schumer losing Coburn, Manchin and Kirk? And none of them are up for reelection? No gun control this year.

[Joe Boucher]

Manchin=smegma

[grobdriver]

"Our goal is to pass a bill that will close loopholes in the current background check process

There are no "loopholes".

[cotton1706]

“Our goal is to pass a bill that will close loopholes in the current background check process”

Schumer alluded to this a couple of weeks ago on one of the sunday shows with Cruz. He said that someone can buy a bunch of guns legally and be background checked at a gun show or in a store. But then that person can sell those guns privately without any background checks on the buyers.

And in saying this, Schumer gave away the game because he wants all guns to be registered like cars. He wants to the government to know who has guns and where they are. If a person sells guns privately, the government won’t know where they went and who has them.

And that’s the point! Because it is a danger to the public liberty to have the government know where the guns are because they will come and sieze them. It should not be forgotten that the reason the British went to Concord was to sieze the store of arms there so they could quash the rebellion.

[paratrooper82]

Don't believe it!

“Democrats say background check records, whether kept by the individuals, manufacturers or others, are the only way to ensure that the checks are conducted for private sales. Coburn said such information could help create a federal registry of gun owners - something that is now illegal and the White House says would not happen.

Sens. Joe Manchin, D-W.Va., and Mark Kirk, R-Ill., also have been involved in the background check negotiations and said in a joint statement that they would continue looking for a compromise with other senators.” MyWay-Alan Fram

“. . . they would continue looking for a compromise with other senators.” is all Americans need to know about these crooks!

Trust, BUT verify

[holymoly]

We simply want to make sure firearms do not end up in the hands of convicted criminals or people who are deemed mentally unstable by court ruling.

Anyone too dangerous to own or possess a firearm is too dangerous to be running loose.

Either institutionalize or incarcerate them, and leave the rest of us alone.

[Oatka]

We simply want to make sure firearms do not end up in the hands of convicted criminals or people who are deemed mentally unstable by court ruling.
If it is just the buyer's criminal/mental background the government is interested in, why, as per Schumer and his 4473 form, do they need to know the guns serial number, the buyer's name, address,place and date of birth, height, weight, race, etc.?

"close loopholes in the current background check process"
A pantload. I was around when the 1968 Gun Control Act was debated and it was widely accepted then, even by the liberals, that the background check could easily morph into a registration list, so the private sales part was specifically mentioned as a relief valve to prevent this.

And isn't it strange that "loopholes" only appear in laws that hinder the liberals' agenda?