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To: Jeff Winston
The Vattel claim is ABSOLUTE, FLAT-OUT NONSENSE. It's simply false. There is no evidence to support it.

There's that claim again. Reminds me of Clinton's "I did NOT have sex with that woman."

I no longer have time to fool with this. I will drub you later.

625 posted on 03/09/2013 5:44:09 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I no longer have time to fool with this. I will drub you later.

Check. I understand. Drub ya later, then. Have a good night.

632 posted on 03/09/2013 5:51:46 PM PST by Jeff Winston
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To: DiogenesLamp
There's no way you'll win with them, though I agree with your understanding and am grateful for your efforts and information. That was what I was taught in 5th grade and I've not seen much to change that understanding.

Instead, what I've learned is that no matter what, if they can't win on facts, they just change the definition.

Constitution says NBC but you don't like that? Don't bother changing the Constitution, just rewrite the definition!

It's the same play that's being run on defining marriage or making abortion legal and many others. No institution or organization is immune and no standard you cite will ever be enough to satisfy them or convince them that they are wrong.

It's everywhere. Even supposedly christian churches have embraced and are now teaching points of view that are clearly and unequivocally judged as sin in the Bible. Whatever.

Kinda cool how the Bible predicts and talks about that as well.

Anyway, I'm not making that case, just noting that the tendency to simply redefine meanings if they can't force the change in belief is not limited to just politics.

Speaking of...did anyone ever figure out what the meaning of "is" is?

641 posted on 03/09/2013 6:09:13 PM PST by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Article XIV

Section. 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Section. 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

Article I

Section 8 (Congress shall have the power)...To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization,

Immigration and Naturalization Act:

INA: ACT 301 - NATIONALS AND CITIZENS OF THE UNITED STATES AT BIRTH

Sec. 301. [8 U.S.C. 1401] The following shall be nationals and citizens of the United States at birth:

(a) a person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof;

(b) a person born in the United States to a member of an Indian, Eskimo, Aleutian, or other aboriginal tribe: Provided, That the granting of citizenship under this subsection shall not in any manner impair or otherwise affect the right of such person to tribal or other property;

(c) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents both of whom are citizens of the United States and one of whom has had a residence in the United States or one of its outlying possessions, prior to the birth of such person;

(d) a person born outside of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the birth of such person, and the other of whom is a national, but not a citizen of the United States;

(e) a person born in an outlying possession of the United States of parents one of whom is a citizen of the United States who has been physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year at any time prior to the birth of such person;

(f) a person of unknown parentage found in the United States while under the age of five years, until shown, prior to his attaining the age of twenty-one years, not to have been born in the United States;

(g) a person born outside the geographical limits of the United States and its outlying possessions of parents one of whom is an alien, and the other a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, was physically present in the United States or its outlying possessions for a period or periods totaling not less than five years, at least two of which were after attaining the age of fourteen years: Provided, That any periods of honorable service in the Armed Forces of the United States, or periods of employment with the United States Government or with an international organization as that term is defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act (59 Stat. 669; 22 U.S.C. 288) by such citizen parent, or any periods during which such citizen parent is physically present abroad as the dependent unmarried son or daughter and a member of the household of a person (A) honorably serving with the Armed Forces of the United States, or (B) employed by the United States Government or an international organization as defined in section 1 of the International Organizations Immunities Act, may be included in order to satisfy the physical-presence requirement of this paragraph. This proviso shall be applicable to persons born on or after December 24, 1952, to the same extent as if it had become effective in its present form on that date; and

(h) a person born before noon (Eastern Standard Time) May 24, 1934, outside the limits and jurisdiction of the United States of an alien father and a mother who is a citizen of the United States who, prior to the birth of such person, had resided in the United States. 302 persons born in Puerto Rico on or after April 11, 1899


645 posted on 03/09/2013 6:15:00 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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