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Why Is Homeland Security Stockpiling Guns And Ammunition?
Kremlin, Moscow Russia Today / Albany Tribune ^ | March 24, 2014 | Russia Today

Posted on 03/24/2013 9:43:47 PM PDT by Ghost of Jesus Gil

The Department of Homeland Security has plans to buy enough ammunition to fight the equivalent of a 24-year Iraq War – on US territory – and even US congressmen don’t understand why.

Smack in the middle of the smoking gun-control debate, and despite deep spending cuts across the American heartland, the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) wants to buy 1.6 billion rounds of ammunition over the next five years.

(Excerpt) Read more at albanytribune.com ...


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: dhs; guncontrol; homelandsecurty; secondamendment
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To: Ajnin
Unfortunately,nobody really understands those quotes or the current situation.

Not true! Many folks are armed, dangerous and informed.
21 posted on 03/25/2013 1:04:09 AM PDT by 867V309
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To: MasterGunner01
About 65,000 are members of DHS. If the 1.6 billion rounds are divided among all armed government agencies, it comes out to 9,696 rounds per agent.

Over a five year period that's about 162 rounds per month.

22 posted on 03/25/2013 1:25:27 AM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: MasterGunner01

100% of this spending is appropriated by a Republican majority Congress. They either agree with the plan or they are not doing their duty.


23 posted on 03/25/2013 1:28:16 AM PDT by Soul of the South (Yesterday is gone. Today will be what we make of it.)
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To: Soul of the South

And I, at least, have not heard a peep from from the Republicans about this.


24 posted on 03/25/2013 3:06:59 AM PDT by DooDahhhh
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To: jobim

To boil down “The Gulag Archipelago” to its essence: “Me? What for?”


25 posted on 03/25/2013 3:08:02 AM PDT by rlmorel (1793 French Jacobins and 2012 American Liberals have a lot in common.)
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To: spokeshave
"they expand ...so producing a massive entry wound....banned under the Geneva War Convention.

You are about as misinformed as the author of the article. Inaccurate information posted on the Internet and re-posted over and over again, doesn't make it true.

The Geneva Conventions deals with the proper treatment of war prisoners among other subjects. The Hague Conventions deal with the means of fighting civilized wars among other subjects. The United States is not a signatory of The Hague Conventions although we comply with the restrictions most of the time.

Please learn the appropriate Conventions before posting more misinformation.

26 posted on 03/25/2013 5:22:13 AM PDT by Buffalo Head (Illigitimi non carborundum)
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To: TigersEye

I don’t think DHS is thinking in terms of practice unless is on live targets called American men, women, and children. Napolitano, Holder, and Obama are evil. Why is DHS ordering “desensitizing” color targets of pregnant women, kids. women, elders, women and kids if they’re not planning on murdering Americans? Funny, too, all the targets depict white people as hostiles.


27 posted on 03/25/2013 5:40:21 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: tumblindice
I don't want to defend the DHS but some of the arguments put forward are specious.

You should train with what you carry. I shoot at least a magazine worth of what I carry every month. If the DHS carries hollow points, they should train with them. Do they need 1.6 billion rounds, no, I don't think so. I think they were purchased with ulterior motives but that is a completely different discussion.

Is it strange that military personnel report they have never trained with hollow points? No, not strange at all, they do not carry hollow points into battle, why would they train with them?

You point out the real question, what is the purpose of arming up the DHS? That is the question that is getting drowned out by discussions about what you should train with and whether the DHS is saving money by buying in bulk.

28 posted on 03/25/2013 6:00:52 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

And to add to your points, since the 70’s is there a civilian police dept, sheriff’s dept or federal law agency that does *NOT* carry hollow-points as duty rounds?


29 posted on 03/25/2013 6:25:06 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: dangerdoc

Has anyone thought that maybe the DHS and select members of Congress are aware of an impending threat they have tried to keep from the general populace? A few well-placed dirty bombs set off simultaneously in key population centers could functionally disable a large part of our nation. I’m as paranoid as anyone about the present administration, but there may be more than one explanation for this.


30 posted on 03/25/2013 6:33:48 AM PDT by binreadin
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To: binreadin

I think those jobs have been delegated to the National Guard in the past. I would support increasing their preparedness and keeping them subject to the local Governer.

We do not need a national internal paramilitary.


31 posted on 03/25/2013 7:14:52 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: binreadin
Define “a few” and some sites that would “disable” a “large portion” of our nation. Lets be realistic, urban population centers could literally disappear tomorrow and the USA would not be disabled.
32 posted on 03/25/2013 7:16:05 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Durus

Wallstreet comes to mind.


33 posted on 03/25/2013 8:30:03 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

I’m not saying all of this and Obama’s campaigning against guns is somehow related, but....if I wanted to be a dictator, I’d work hard to make owning guns seem “uncool” while legislating against them, and arm up my shock troops.


34 posted on 03/25/2013 8:44:00 AM PDT by Free and Armed (Playing leap frog with a unicorn and compromising with liberals--both have a similar end result)
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To: Ghost of Jesus Gil

“even US congressmen don’t understand why”

They want to fight us, they want to conquer us, they want to subjegate us, they want to rule us.


35 posted on 03/25/2013 8:47:52 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: dangerdoc
I don't think a dirty bomb would effect wall street all that much. The overwhelming majority of traffic is done remotely.
36 posted on 03/25/2013 10:56:31 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: MasterGunner01

I’d pay money to see a donut-munching DHS agent hump 24,000 rounds into the field.


37 posted on 03/25/2013 11:54:52 AM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye
Pound for pound, the densest ammunition on the planet is 2,000 rounds of 230-grain G.I. M1911 Ball.

I picked up a case of the stuff at the ammo point, broke open the wooden shipping container to get to the two .50 caliber ammo cans inside. Each can contained 1,000 rounds in 50-round boxes.

I put the boxes roughly at shoulder width, bent slightly to grab the handles, and stepped off smartly — except the two boxes clung to the deck like glue. Wait just a minute! I reassessed my approach to moving them and this time I was successful. Those boxes got pretty heavy before I got back to the hut. I was impressed then by the sheer concentrated weight of the ammo — and I still am.

38 posted on 03/26/2013 6:22:47 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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To: MasterGunner01
LOL

I recall lugging a 1,000 rd case of 7.62X39 out of a gun show some years back. Cursing how far away we had parked the whole time. But somewhat thankful I hadn't been greedy enough to buy two.

— except the two boxes clung to the deck like glue.

That sounds a little like the old construction site gag of nailing somebody's lunch box to the deck.

39 posted on 03/26/2013 1:00:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

That’s close...nailing a lunch box to the deck. I took to calling these 1,000-round boxes of .45 ACP Ball as “wait a minute boxes”.


40 posted on 03/27/2013 7:15:42 AM PDT by MasterGunner01
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