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Survival Antibiotics
doomandbloom.net ^ | 4/8/13 | Dr. Bones and Nurse Amy

Posted on 04/09/2013 3:34:10 PM PDT by Kartographer

· Amoxicillin 250mg AND 500mg (FISH-MOX, FISH-MOX FORTE)
· Ciprofloxacin 250mg and 500mg(FISH-FLOX, FISH-FLOX FORTE)
· Cephalexin 250mg and 500mg (FISH-FLEX, FISH-FLEX FORTE)
· Metronidazole 250mg (FISH-ZOLE)
· Doxycycline 100mg (BIRD-BIOTIC)
· Ampicillin 250mg and 500mg (FISH-CILLIN, FISH-CILLIN FORTE)
Clindamycin 300mg (FISH-CIN)
· Sulfamethoxazole 400mg/Trimethoprin 80mg (BIRD-SULFA)

(Excerpt) Read more at doomandbloom.net ...


TOPICS: Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: antibiotics; preparedness; preppers; survival
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To: Iron Munro

Yes I just got some Cipro a couple of mos ago. We are stocking up our survival meds. Cipro and Amoxicillin are broad spectrum antibiotics which treat numerous infections.


21 posted on 04/09/2013 4:32:37 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

How do you make yourself “sick enough” to run a test? And with what germ/virus? Just wondering...


22 posted on 04/09/2013 4:37:30 PM PDT by Carriage Hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: Kartographer

Don’t forget that natural honey will provide a small amount of anti-bacterial when used as a topical.


23 posted on 04/09/2013 4:39:12 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2
"Yes I just got some Cipro a couple of mos ago"

Okay! There's about a 100 Canadian vendors selling this stuff!

You got a name or link to a legitimate one?

24 posted on 04/09/2013 4:40:20 PM PDT by Dacus943
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To: TigersEye; Donnafrflorida

The binder in the tetracycline is what made it dangerous to use. I’ve read of a titration process which can be used to test dated drugs but don’t know how to do it.

Most medicines are perfectly fine back their expiration date. They will lose some of their potency as they age.


25 posted on 04/09/2013 4:41:22 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DesertRhino

Cool and dark, like most edibles.


26 posted on 04/09/2013 4:45:14 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: driftdiver

I was told that any antibiotic much past its expiration date would have little antibiotic effect and be hard on the liver and kidneys. I trust my source if you trust yours then go with that.


27 posted on 04/09/2013 4:45:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: driftdiver

Honey needs to be qualified. Natural honey is extremely, frustratingly, unpredictable for the amount of antibiotics/anti-inflammatory agents it contains.

If you can get the good stuff, it is downright amazing, and has been described as superb for dental use, both reducing gum swelling and eliminating gum infections. However, finding it is 99% of the problem.

There are now some efforts to figure out what makes the good stuff good, but who knows how long it will take. Until then, it is just guesswork.


28 posted on 04/09/2013 4:46:50 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: TigersEye
An acquaintance of mine is a doctor and was a pharmaceutical researcher at Johns Hopkins. He told me all antibiotics become toxic with age and lose their antibiotic power.

In the book "Patriots: Surviving the Coming Collapse" by James Wesley, Rawles one of the characters, a nurse, describes a field method of performing a rudimentary test on expired antibiotics.

Supposedly a questionable antibiotic can be tested for toxicity by dissolving it in a glass of clear water.
If the water remains clear the antibiotic is not toxic.
If the water becomes cloudy the antibiotic has gone bad.

I don't know how valid the test is but in an SHTF emergency with nothing but expired medicines available it could be tried as a last resort.

I believe there was also mention in the book of increasing the dosage with older medicines in an emergency situation because of the declining viability that you mentioned.


29 posted on 04/09/2013 4:46:55 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: Dacus943

Agreed. I want the source so I can load up as well, eh.


30 posted on 04/09/2013 4:47:11 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Iron Munro

Thanks, if it came down to an emergency I might take the chance. Good to know even a rudimentary test for toxicity.


31 posted on 04/09/2013 4:49:43 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: driftdiver
I’ve read of a titration process which can be used to test dated drugs but don’t know how to do it.

You might find my post #29 interesting.


32 posted on 04/09/2013 4:51:42 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: TigersEye

http://www.doomandbloom.net/2013/04/survival-antibiotics.html

Written by a doctor. Survivalblog.com also has numerous articles on it.

Chemicals don’t have a calendar, they don’t go bad one day past their expiration date.

Given a choice I’ll go to an MD and a pharmacy but that may not always be possible.


33 posted on 04/09/2013 4:55:41 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Iron Munro

Thanks, that is where I read it but forgot the process.


34 posted on 04/09/2013 4:57:15 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

Thats one reason I’ve stocked up on tubes of neosporin. It has the added benefit of not attracking flys and ants.


35 posted on 04/09/2013 5:02:27 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

A few things.

1) Some doctors use a “trial and error” method for figuring out which is the best antibiotic for a particular problem. This starts by grading the antibiotics from longest in use with most resistance out there, like Penicillin, and if it works, great, and if it doesn’t, try the next one. Of course, unless a particular infection is of a type that is known to respond really well to a given antibiotic.

This is not a bad technique, really, for lesser infections, and saves up your really strong antibiotics for really bad infections.

2) If you are taking antibiotics under any circumstances these days, probiotics are essential, and should be used at alternate times to the antibiotics. This is an effective way to fend off deadly resistant bacteria blooms.

3) Anthrax infection only applies to skin infection, which has a 20% mortality that can be reduced to 1% with antibiotics. GI anthrax has a 25-60% mortality and requires hospitalization. Inhaled anthrax has an estimated 98% mortality with treatment, so don’t bother.

4) Oregano oil, while not a replacement for antibiotics, definitely augments their effects. It is also a very potent pain reliever.


36 posted on 04/09/2013 5:04:34 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: driftdiver
Chemicals don’t have a calendar, they don’t go bad one day past their expiration date.

Oh, yes they do! Sometimes in a very big way. If you trust your source go with it. The doctor I talked to is one of very few at his level and has spent years doing research on the properties of pharmaceuticals in the development of new ones. I trust him.

37 posted on 04/09/2013 5:06:54 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Kartographer; Donnafrflorida; SVTCobra03; JoeProBono; driftdiver

Re: TETRACYCLINE

I notice that Fish Cycline (tetracycline) is no longer available in capsule form from suppliers like Fish Mox Fish Flex.

http://www.fishmoxfishflex.com

They now offer it in powder form as premeasured packets or in bulk.

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge about using it in powder form?

Any insight would be helpful.


38 posted on 04/09/2013 5:07:48 PM PDT by Iron Munro (Welcome to Obama-Land - EVERYTHING NOT FORBIDDEN IS COMPULSORY)
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To: driftdiver
...they don’t go bad one day past their expiration date.

I will amend my previous reply. No, they don't go bad the day after the expiration date. Which is why I specifically said in my previous post to you "much past its expiration date."

39 posted on 04/09/2013 5:09:18 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

Then go with his recommendation.

I can tell you if the choice is die from an infection or take some anti-biotics a month past their date the decision is easy.

My information comes from medical Doctors as well. There’s a reason they call their office a practice.


40 posted on 04/09/2013 5:11:19 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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