[ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas]

I been saying over and over, kill it in the Senate. Dont send it to the House.

We agree about that.

I thought killing the gun bill worked quite well after it went to the floor, Dems thought it was a sure thing,

Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems like this initial vote to proceed passed by a bigger margin than the GWB/mccain/kennedy amnesty in 2007, and that's not a good sign.

[stephenjohnbanker]

” Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems like this initial vote to proceed passed by a bigger margin than the GWB/mccain/kennedy amnesty in 2007, and that’s not a good sign. “

No, it isn’t.

15 voted against it to proceed.

[sickoflibs]

RE :”Maybe I am mistaken, but it seems like this initial vote to proceed passed by a bigger margin than the GWB/mccain/kennedy amnesty in 2007, and that's not a good sign.”

Yep, that was much worse than I thought it would be. 82-15.

Dems plan is to get at least 70 on the final vote to ‘force’ the GOP House to pass it without major changes

If it fails like the gun bill did, then the votes FOR it now wont matter for those that vote to kill it at the end,

But if it makes it out of Senate then all 82 are traitors and it is a massive sellout by them, even if some of them vote against it at the end.