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To: bluecat6
I have an interesting theory about that...

MAE = MEAN ABSOLUTE ERROR.

Go back to the Virginia Sunahara story, born August 4, died August 5. On the 29th of August, her death certificate shows an amended birth certificate for Virginia, amended apparently to correct her name from Tomyio (the name of her father) to Virginia...and the certificate number reflects the date of the amendment...it's 400+ births past her actual date of birth:

Now, tell me, what happened to the original certificate for Tomiyo Sunahara? Was that number cancelled? Is there a blank where that entry should be? YOU DON'T AMEND SOMETHING THAT NEVER EXISTED...IMO.

And what would happen if the birth listed on the index for Barack Hussein Obama 11 fell within the 1960-1964 period of the index, but the actual date of birth was in January?

The index would then print out TWO entries for the same name...and we can't have that...so one of them becomes a MEAN ABSOLUTE ERROR.

301 posted on 06/24/2013 7:46:01 PM PDT by Fred Nerks
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To: Fred Nerks; Ladysforest

We don’t know if the birth certificate was amended. We do know that the death certificate is amended. When the researcher spoke with Virginia’s mom she was told that the BC had Virginia’s name on it; they didn’t do an amendment. The most likely thing is that the coroner didn’t have the BC to look at and put a female version of the father’s name on the death certificate, and when they were processing it and had to match it up with the BC they found the discrepancy between the names and corrected the death certificate.

If they did amend the name on the BC it would have been done just like the amendment on the death certificate - with a line drawn through the incorrect entry and a notation of the correct information. The COLB would also have noted that correction. Since it didn’t, and since Virginia’s mom said the BC was under Virginia’s name, it seems like it was just the death certificate that was screwed up and amended. There was no Sunahara birth reported in the newspapers in either July or August - not that the announcement would have had the child’s name anyway.

And even a new BC is always given the same BC# as the original had - except when the new BC is created at the request of law enforcement.

The birth indices have cases where there are 2 listings for what is obviously just one individual - one listing with the middle name spelled out and another with just an initial, for instance. The death index does not list both Tomiyo and Virginia under the Sunahara name, so the printouts aren’t making separate entries to show the correct and incorrect versions. These are presumably 2 distinct records made for the same person - with different BC#’s. To get “duplicate” there would presumably have to be a record where the identical numbers were used with the identical name. The system would have to allow such a thing to accommodate new BC’s created for gender reassignment - which would have the same name and BC#. But only one is supposed to be valid at a time. And that issue is supposed to be confidential so that nothing would seem different in public documents such as a birth index.

I was told that there are other instances where “Duplicate” shows up. Maybe it’s a flaw in their system that messes up gender reassignment confidentiality, or maybe they have a manual way for workers to mark the error of a duplicate record - but that shouldn’t end up deleting the original record. Seems like there should be a Mae Obado and a (duplicate) Mae Obado in that case.

I wonder what would happen if a person requested birth index data for Mae Obado. Their birth index has no Mae Obado listed, so would they give index data for her? If they did it would indicate that their computer records are different than their computer printout.


311 posted on 06/25/2013 4:32:05 AM PDT by butterdezillion (,)
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To: Fred Nerks

I have recorded and filed births/deaths/marriages and will say the original numbers are supposed to remain the same. No matter what information that is changed/amended on these certificates, THE ORIGINAL REGISTRATION NUMBER REMAINS THE SAME. Just like if a female gets married and requests her last name be changed on her Social Security card, her original number remains the same. Same as if a child is adopted, their birth certificate stays the same except for the parents’ names. The adopted child’s registration number stays the same - their birth date is the same - the delivery time and hospital is the same - the parents’ address remains the same even though the adopted parents never lived at that address. But then we’re talking about “anything goes” Hawaii and the evil current administration can do anything it wants.


400 posted on 06/27/2013 9:44:56 AM PDT by bgill (This reply was mined before it was posted.)
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