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1 posted on 11/20/2013 7:19:50 PM PST by Enza Ferreri
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If I misunderstand your comments, please let me know.

It’s very important to remember that the purpose in Christian doctrine does not include any principle having to do with assigning a new moral status to animals.

In fact, we are warned against the sin (and the lie) of worshiping the creature rather than the creator.

“...who exchanged the truth of God for the lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.” (Romans 1:25-24)


2 posted on 11/20/2013 7:36:07 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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I disagree that the old and new testaments are all that different. In the old testament animals are in high regard - there blood is the blood of life and is sacred. But sin requires the shedding of blood, so this was used as a substitute until the appointed time for the “real” thing to appear. And the animal had to be “without blemish”. This prepared the way for The Messiah to come - without blemish - and to shed His blood as the price for our sins. The animals are really a preparation for the Messiah - pretty high status, I would say


3 posted on 11/20/2013 7:37:54 PM PST by impactplayer
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Also when God rebukes Jonah for not caring about the inhabitants of Ninevah He also mentions the many animals that would die if He destroyed the city.


5 posted on 11/20/2013 7:55:23 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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The Old Testament pre-dates the birth of Jesus Christ. How can what's written in it be attributed to the teachings of a man who was not alive when it was composed?

Really? If you wrote this and believe it you have redefined Christianity and you are dead wrong. If it is sarcasm my mistake. This has to be the dumbest thing a 'Christian' has ever written.

6 posted on 11/20/2013 7:56:05 PM PST by xone
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LOL there are so many people screwed up on the subject {any subject } regarding religion specifically christian religion when you start talking about Animals they are going to go radically overboard trying to convert dogs and cats to one denomination or another .....

this is going to get way out of hand people will start fights over weather their cows are catholic or baptist !


15 posted on 11/20/2013 9:44:01 PM PST by ATOMIC_PUNK (I'm not afraid to say what i mean nor should you be afraid of what you know to be true !)
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I don’t have a doctorate in philosophy but I’m comfortable dealing with it at any level.

Many philosophers, including Singer, trip and fall over the subjective in their attempts to get at the objective. This is part of the process of transitioning from philosopher (lover of wisdom) to philosophist (lover of bad or false arguments).

Postmodernism tried to tell us we could change any text—as is attempted here with the Bible—into whatever we please. But postmodernism begins with a desire to end all truth. And in denying truth, postmodernism makes a truth claim and thus refutes itself—destroying all of postmodernism in one fell swoop.

Four years of lectures from postmodernist philosophers seems like a lot to unlearn, especially since it’s a task faced by millions of current and future graduates. But I’m convinced it can be done with as little effort as it takes to remember that truth is not subjective.


17 posted on 11/20/2013 10:16:41 PM PST by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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"The Old Testament pre-dates the birth of Jesus Christ. How can what's written in it be attributed to the teachings of a man who was not alive when it was composed?"

That one comment shows that you clearly don't have the first clue about Christianity. According to the Bible, Jesus Christ was God made flesh. Exactly the same God who wrote/inspired the Old Testament.

20 posted on 11/21/2013 11:50:04 AM PST by Natufian (t)
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