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The American Flag Daily: Iwo Jima
The American Flag Daily ^ | February 19, 2014 | FlagBearer

Posted on 02/19/2014 4:41:44 AM PST by Master Zinja

On this day in 1945, the five-week-long battle of Iwo Jima began with the invasion of the island by the United States Marine Corps. This would be one of the bloodier battles in the Pacific theater, with more than 6,800 Americans dying and over 19,000 wounded. In their honor, we raise the Corps flag on the anniversary of the first day of battle.


TOPICS: History; Military/Veterans; Miscellaneous
KEYWORDS: iwojima; marinecorps; warinthepacific; worldwarii

1 posted on 02/19/2014 4:41:44 AM PST by Master Zinja
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To: Master Zinja

God bless them and their memory!


2 posted on 02/19/2014 4:44:58 AM PST by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Master Zinja
To me the saddest story of all the sad stories of that sad little island:

“Call him drunken Ira Hayes,
He don't live here anymore,
Not the whiskey drinking Indian
Nor the Marine who went war.”

Every time I drive past the Mathew Juan Ira Hayes Memorial Park in Sacaton, I tear up.
Ira Hayes was killed on Iwo Jima even though he died about 10 years later.

3 posted on 02/19/2014 5:01:04 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Tupelo
Ira Hayes was killed on Iwo Jima even though he died about 10 years later.
Iwo Jima was a factor, but Hayes was killed by his DNA.
4 posted on 02/19/2014 5:08:19 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: Tupelo

Rene Gagnon’s story was kind of sad as well. The only surviving flag raiser who emerged from the war relatively well adjusted was the corpsman Bradley.


5 posted on 02/19/2014 5:28:27 AM PST by skeeter
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To: oh8eleven

I am sure you are correct about his DNA. However I do not know of the other alcoholics in his family. I would appreciate you informing me.


6 posted on 02/19/2014 5:36:59 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: skeeter
re: Rene Gagnon’s story was kind of sad as well.

Oh so true. I guess I am more sensitive to the Ira Hayes story since I live near and have worked an interacted with the Pima.

7 posted on 02/19/2014 5:40:45 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Tupelo
I am sure you are correct about his DNA.
Then why ask me for more proof?
8 posted on 02/19/2014 5:57:54 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: oh8eleven
Oh I see.
The Pima have the highest rate of diabetes on earth so they must all be alcoholic.

I guess you missed the sarcasm in my answer. Flew right past you.

9 posted on 02/19/2014 6:36:48 AM PST by Tupelo (I am feeling more like Philip Nolan every day)
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To: Master Zinja; All
A few thoughts, and remembrances...

When I was going through Quantico in 1968, there were several senior NCOs..lifers..on their last duty station before retiring, who had fought at Iwo. Veterans of other island campaigns, the consensus was that Iwo was by far the worst, in terms of the intensity of the fight.. The "misery factor" was much greater on Guadalcanal, because that lasted for 7 months, compared to 7 weeks on Iwo, and for much of the battle for the Canal, the Marines suffered from a severe lack of supplies, as well as intermittent naval gunnery and air support.

The cost, more than 6,800 KIA in that short time, was horrendous. I used to take some comfort, and pride, from the fact that over 2,500 emergency landings took place on Iwo (the vast majority by B-29s bombing Japan) and thus one could assume that over 20,000 lives were saved by capturing Iwo. Also, at the time, very few commanders knew that the island was needed as an emergency field for the bombers that would be carrying the atomic bombs. The ides of the "Enola Gay" having to ditch in the Pacific en route to Japan gave everyone involved in the mission nightmares. At that time, we lacked enough fissionable material to make another bomb.

Iwo Jima pretty much defines the Marine Corps..It is a central part of our ethos, our DNA..the bravery, courage, sacrifice..raising the flag, the iconic picture, the Marine Corps Memorial in DC depicting that act, "uncommon valor was a common virtue," the Medals of Honor ( 22 to Marines, 5 to Navy corpsmen; 14 posthumusly) representing almost 30% of ALL MoH's awarded to Marines during the ENTIRE Pacific campaign. IOW, that sacrifice is sacrosanct.

As a rule, I don't like revisionist history. At its worst, it's Monday morning quarterbacking, where hindsight is always a perfect 20/20. However, recently, military historians have begun to honestly question and explore whether the campaign for Iwo was necessary. A few points are being raised:

1. Iwo wasn't needed for the emergency base for the atomic missions. We'd already taken Okinawa, which could have worked.

2. Careful examination of flight logs shows that as much as 90% of the "emergency" landings on Iwo weren't true emergencies. The bombers might have made it back to Tinian, or there were other captured airstrips that could have been used. No one faults an aircrew, heading for Toyko ( or returning) if an engine is running hot, for landing at Iwo for repairs..they'd be crazy NOT to do so...but that doesn't then mean that all 2,000+ B-29s would have had to ditch in the Pacific if he hadn't taken Iwo.

3. There were no Jap fighters on Iwo that could have posed a threat to our bombers, and any attempt to send more to the island could have been stopped by stationing a carrier group in the area to intercept them. The Japanese on Iwo could have been starved out, they'd have run out of supplies in a few months..

I think we'll start to see some serious study and discussion about Iwo Jima in the next few years. The import ant thing is that doing so in no way detracts from the courage, and sacrifice, of those who fought, and died there.

10 posted on 02/19/2014 7:24:43 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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To: ken5050

The landings on Okinawa started on April 1, 1945, after the Iwo Jima campaign.


11 posted on 02/19/2014 8:59:19 AM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus
You are of course correct, however my comment referred to the dropping of the atomic bombs..Okinawa would have been available by then as an emergency landing field. Trinity occurred on July 16th, 1945, by which time both Iwo and Okinawa were secured, and being used as bases for our aircraft. I suspect that 99.9% of planners for the Pacific war had NO idea that we were working on an a-bomb...let alone that it would work..

That was the point of my post..some are now attempting to justify/rationalize the decision to invade Iwo on the basis of that alone. I don't know if it's plausible. We need much more archival research. What I long felt was an acceptable reason...the use as an emergency field fore the bombers to/from Japan, has somewhat now been discredited..

12 posted on 02/19/2014 10:38:33 AM PST by ken5050 (This space available cheap...)
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