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Secure Messaging Without Govt Interception
PrivateMailbox.com ^ | 12/2/2013 | PMB

Posted on 02/23/2014 9:39:46 AM PST by mainstreetradical.com

PMB is safer and more private because it doesn’t use the usual technology to send emails and instant messages, or to transfer files.

Traditional email systems focus on sending mails through a series of relays until each piece is put back together for the recipient. Here’s how that system works. Why PMB Keeps Your Information Private

Our patented, cutting-edge technology doesn’t use relay servers to deliver your communications. We establish a private, electronic stream between you and the database and your recipient and the database.

This approach not only gives the messages you send, electronically, an unprecedented level of security and privacy, but also the characteristics of both email and instant messaging.

Like regular email services you get …

Multi-recipient In boxes Attachments of any size Embedded images, sound files and movies Permanent message stores Like instant messaging you get …

Instant send and receive One-on-one communications Inline conversations Trusted contact lists


TOPICS: Computers/Internet; Government
KEYWORDS: nsa; privacy; securecommunication
Been beta testing a free private mailbox that is fully secure and encapsulated (Well its free to 50mb but I just delete messages so I don't go over the limit!). It's very simple looking but the tech seems sound. This is not an advertisement or endorsement, just tired of the damn Govt snooping on everything! Been seeing gov IPs all over our logfiles for MSR for months! Stay safe everyone.
1 posted on 02/23/2014 9:39:46 AM PST by mainstreetradical.com
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To: mainstreetradical.com
This message brought to you by your friendly neighborhood NSA.
2 posted on 02/23/2014 9:40:53 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to behead anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: mainstreetradical.com
Anonymous digital currency and untraceable digital communication --

The end of the nation state and the end of government as we know it.

3 posted on 02/23/2014 9:43:36 AM PST by ClearCase_guy
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To: mainstreetradical.com

If you receive your password confirmation via e-mail, it defeats the purpose as the enesay reads the e-mail with the password on it.


4 posted on 02/23/2014 9:43:53 AM PST by max americana (fired liberals in our company last election, and I laughed while they cried (true story))
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Yeah NSA caused me to look for a better option. Freaky that the govt doesn’t even try to hide IP’s when they visit our content. MainstreetRadical.com is just a couple of freedom loving mofos that post about issues we care about. Although lately we haven’t posted anything! Been looking for a couple good writers if any of you all are interested.


5 posted on 02/23/2014 9:50:07 AM PST by mainstreetradical.com
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To: mainstreetradical.com

Some people using Tor for bitcoin transactions found it wasn’t as secure as they thought once the government got seriously interested. And, there’s been rumors of backdoors for other encrypted communications as well. I applaud the idea, but I’d be wary for anything serious.


6 posted on 02/23/2014 9:50:35 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Noted. Probably keep spending money on stamps and snail mail for the important stuff.


7 posted on 02/23/2014 9:53:34 AM PST by mainstreetradical.com
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To: mainstreetradical.com

Breakable.

The only secure soon is a random private key between you and each email partner. That is, a different key for each.

Yes, one must get that key to the recipient, and this is a problem. But if it is a very very long key...gigabytes...and truly random, the NSA is Obama’d...er...screwed.

Anything less can be broken...sooner or later.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 9:55:36 AM PST by Da Coyote
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9 posted on 02/23/2014 10:06:26 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (The Fed Gov is not one ring to rule them all)
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To: mainstreetradical.com

In low tech tyrannies past, they simply opened your mail. PGP and the like are fine for anything personal, IMHO.


10 posted on 02/23/2014 10:07:39 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine
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To: mainstreetradical.com

I’ve been thinking about the digital equivalent of spread-spectrum radio, where messages are disassembled, sent, and reassembled non-simultaneously with different paths and different technologies.


11 posted on 02/23/2014 10:16:05 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: mainstreetradical.com

Get your amateur radio license, it has never been easier and radios cheaper. If the internet goes down, it won’t matter if your email and chat app is secure because it won’t work.


12 posted on 02/23/2014 10:16:14 AM PST by DocRock (All they that TAKE the sword shall perish with the sword. Matthew 26:52 Gun grabbers beware.)
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To: mainstreetradical.com

“Our patented, cutting-edge technology doesn’t use relay servers to deliver your communications. We establish a private, electronic stream between you and the database and your recipient and the database. “

Means nothing. Everything you send over the internet can be monitored. Everything that can be monitored can be intercepted and decoded, if the desire is there to do so.

Claims to the contrary are pure snake oil.


13 posted on 02/23/2014 10:33:44 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: DocRock

What you say is correct, but it’s irrelevant. Whether you use radio or the internet, anything you send can be detected and decoded. Using techniques like FH or DS spread spectrum makes it much harder to do the detection but there are tradeoffs there too. The only unbreakable form of encryption is a one-time pad, IF it is used correctly. Problem is, it’s a pain to use it correctly.

The best method I can think of using technology available to non-governmental users is to layer one form of security on top of another. For example, if you use FHSS to transmit the message, the interceptor first needs to know the FHSS pattern in order to intercept all the pieces. Then maybe obscure the message using steganography, and encrypt the concealed message using something like PGP. Boxes within boxes...

I just don’t have anything to say that needs that much privacy...


14 posted on 02/23/2014 10:42:19 AM PST by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: mainstreetradical.com
Lot's of BS here.

There's nothing private or cutting edge about this. This is how email was done prior to the SMTP (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol). As long as everybody uses the same mail service, nothing gets routed, whether it's gmail or hotmail or yahoo.

However, unless you use PGP or secure-mime mail, the folks at the server can read your mail, as well as anybody with a warrant.

So, if you get one of these PMB accounts, the only (semi-)secure mail is with another PMB account.

Otherwise, get a security certificate and arrange to use PGP with all your correspondents.

Also, while mail can bounce between mail servers, it'd be pretty strange for mail from gmail to yahoo not to go directly between gmail and yahoo. And in any case, mail across the web between you and anybody (including PMB) crosses multiple routers where the traffic can be monitored. At the moment, using only https connections helps, but some ciphers used with https are not secure.

So, if you are worried about mail, use only PGP (or other) encrypted mime to protect the content end-to-end, and be careful about what https ciphers are used to protect against somebody watching where you send mail. If you are really worried about the second bit, you are out of luck when using any mail server subject to USA warrants.

15 posted on 02/23/2014 10:49:56 AM PST by slowhandluke (It's hard to be cynical enough in this age.)
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To: The Antiyuppie
I’ve been thinking about the digital equivalent of spread-spectrum radio, where messages are disassembled, sent, and reassembled non-simultaneously with different paths and different technologies.

IP has that capability built in, as does TCP, though they're not used for security, but reliability. Adding source routing to the IP might be able to make this work...

Mark

16 posted on 02/23/2014 11:09:20 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: bigbob
“Our patented, cutting-edge technology doesn’t use relay servers to deliver your communications. We establish a private, electronic stream between you and the database and your recipient and the database. “

Means nothing. Everything you send over the internet can be monitored. Everything that can be monitored can be intercepted and decoded, if the desire is there to do so.

Claims to the contrary are pure snake oil.

That was my thought exactly...

The only "private, electronic streams" are created by end to end leased line links. They must mean they use VPNs to secure the data, my guess is that the mail client has a built in VPN client to allow it to connect directly to their mail hub. And as you said, if data is sent over public lines, it can be intercepted and decoded, given enough computing power.

And the Soviets learned that even "secure" direct lines between sites aren't completely secure.

But this is probably more than most people need.

Mark

17 posted on 02/23/2014 11:21:17 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: mainstreetradical.com

What we need is an open standard with real encryption that has the backing of the international community. There should be zero government involvement of any kind. Perhaps something written by Linus Torvolds.


18 posted on 02/23/2014 11:41:14 AM PST by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: MarkL

“IP has that capability built in, as does TCP, though they’re not used for security, but reliability. Adding source routing to the IP might be able to make this work...”

I’m thinking about doing it from client-to-client, with the pieces of the messages going to a small subset of a large number of random servers, at different times. Naturally, there would be decoys. And, encryption. That would be like looking for a needle in a landfill full of needles, and each needle has a part of an encrypted message engraved on it that can only be decrypted when properly assembled.


19 posted on 02/23/2014 11:48:02 AM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: mainstreetradical.com

honey pot is the oldest gambit in the spying business.


20 posted on 02/23/2014 11:56:11 AM PST by BereanBrain
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