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To: grumpa

Well, I understand that southerners have a thing about Lincoln. Without getting into all that, I’ll just say that there is one major difference that deserves emphasis. Lincoln wanted to save the Union. Obama wants to destroy it.


8 posted on 02/23/2014 6:48:19 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero

But many in the Union didn’t want to be saved. What about what they wanted? What about what we want now? I would love to see this country divided into two separate countries.


24 posted on 02/23/2014 6:57:46 PM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: Cicero
Lincoln wanted to save the north from losing the valuable resources of the south.

The pretext was that he was doing it to save the union.

The question few people ask is, did the union exist for the benefit of the people, or the other way around?

I would suggest that saving the union destroyed our republic and no doubt removed the basic concept of self government that our founders were so careful to protect.

The blatantly unconstitutional actions of Lincoln, such as suspending the writ of habeas corpus is inexcusable.

Our nation is too vast and diverse to meaningfully be represented by a powerful central government and lawless president.

States have got to get their power back, if it is not too late. I have little doubt we would be better off today if Lincoln has not interfered with the right of the people in the south to self government.

The comparisons between Lincoln and Obama are fair, and not just because of Illinois.

If Obama tries to do any of the following:
suspend the writ of habeous corpus;
close down media outlets critical of him;
deprive us of civilian trials with full Due Process, etc. then the next civil war will break out.

We don't exist to serve the government. We created the government to protect our God given rights.

42 posted on 02/23/2014 7:36:28 PM PST by Clump ( the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Cicero
Well, I understand that southerners have a thing about Lincoln.

They didn't used to. Lincoln was universally admired after the war until the rise of neo-Confederate revisionism, which seems to have come along at about the same time as "gay rights" and the idea that owning pets is immoral.

85 posted on 02/23/2014 9:35:39 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (The Left: speaking power to truth since Shevirat HaKelim.)
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To: Cicero
Well, I understand that southerners have a thing about Lincoln.

Maybe because he beat them? Badly?

96 posted on 02/24/2014 3:36:39 AM PST by DoodleDawg
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To: Cicero
Lincoln wanted to save the Union.

Interesting method to save something with double cannister and minie balls.....Anymore "saving" and there wouldn't have been anything left below the Mason Dixon.

103 posted on 02/24/2014 4:06:42 AM PST by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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