Posted on 09/10/2014 6:24:49 PM PDT by representativerepublic
I couldnt believe it when I read it. A California Superior Court judge by the name of Paul M. Haakenson ordered Lowes to pay $1.6 million dollars for selling 2x4s that are not really 2 x 4.
Yes, your read that right!
According to the Marin County, CA district attorney's office Lowes "unlawfully advertised structural dimensional building products for sale." To put it a different way, prosecutors say that if products, including building products like a 2x4 or 2x8, arent actually 2 x 4 or 2 x 8 when purchased, consumers are being mislead.
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Judge Retard is either just as dumb as a bag of sawdust or there is some kind of behind the scenes swindling going on.
Dumbass is a 50 year old Marin County Republican and was appointed by Governor Kennedy’s Bitch.
funny....but all your doing is giving them ideas.
I don't think so, because even rough lumber has actual smaller dimensions. When I want actual dimensions to match design plans, I glue and clamp boards, then cut and plane to exact needed dimensions; what carpenters been doing for years. Even then, boards will shrink and expand with the seasons so that has to be accounted for when building (leaving gaps or allowing boards to move within clamping hardware otherwise boards will warp and break).
Crap! I wish ya woulda tol’ me that 20 years ago... My walls are 2x6;-)
Thanks all-—I always thought a 2/4 was a 2/4.
What I don’t understand is how this decision can stand if the sizes are the same at all lumber dealers.
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I thought that wood is rough cut to an actual distance of 2x4. It is then trimmed to a smoother cut (or planned) to a smoother finish. This makes it easier to handle.
It is because the wood is milled smooth. If you buy rough lumber it is 2X4. If fact if you want to make a house a bit stronger specify that they use rough, un-milled, hardwood 2X4’s and have them screwed rather than nailed together. It will make the rooms a little smaller but you’ll add a great deal of strength to the walls for a couple of 1000 dollars cost. I know people that do this help make a house tornado proof
No. You would be buying into it. It’s called dimensional lumber. All dimensional lumber is referred to as a size that it is not.
Since actual 2X4’s are not available, the real size just flat does not matter. If the user isn’t smart enough to either know or use a real live tape measure, it’s their problem.
2 x 4 are the approximate dimensions of the rough cut lumber, directly from the sawmill. Finished lumber, like what you buy at Lowes or Home Depot, is smaller because it’s sent through milling machines to give it a smooth surface.
You can find rough cut in old houses. I bought some from a local sawmill to build a sunroom. The lumber all looked like what you’d expect to see in a old western movie barn building. You’d get some serious splinters handling it without gloves.
I wonder if California courts will require that grape stakes actually have been used to grow grapes on before they can sell it to you for fencing?
Just tell the judge this is Common Core Construction measurements.......
“Especially when misinformation could adversely affect building projects that more often than not rely on precise measurements.”
That is why when building something, you measure on center. It doesn’t matter if it’s actually 2x4 or not
You forgot that all printing must be in upper and lower case. Can’t believe you missed that one.
The size should also be burnished into all four sides every ten inches in40 point font.
I've been in the construction trades for 35 years, and that's the explanation I've always heard.
‘borrowed a tape to measure stuff’
Did you use scotch tape to measure, an 8 trac tape, or a sewer tape? I hope you never get before a judge concerning this measuring. He won’t know what a ‘tape’ is either.
Another possible explanation is that this is a ruse to force us to go full-board metric.
2”x4” is the general description of the rough lumber, before milling. Typically milling removes about 3/8” on each dimension.
It would be interesting to see if they are selling products that are labeled as 2” x 4” but actually were rough 1-3/4” x 3-1/2”, then milled down to say 1-3/8” x 3-1/8”. If so, then they should be charged for fraud re: weights and measures.
I am sure Home Depot is behind the lawsuit to get Lowes out of the Commercial Building Materials market.
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