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To: Oldpuppymax

When the Republicans betray the country too, to whom do we turn??? A third party candidate will just assure a Dem win in 2016.


2 posted on 12/21/2014 9:18:01 AM PST by originalbuckeye (Moderation in temper is always a virtue; moderation in principle is always a vice. Paine)
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To: originalbuckeye

True.


3 posted on 12/21/2014 9:19:48 AM PST by Kackikat ('If it talks like a traitor, acts like a traitor, then by God it's a traitor.')
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To: originalbuckeye

No it will not, but your republiCrat party plantation mentality most certainly will.


5 posted on 12/21/2014 9:23:58 AM PST by nomad
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To: originalbuckeye
When the Republicans betray the country too, to whom do we turn???

Here's a clue. You don't keep re-electing folks who don't represent your viewpoint. You turn to someone (something) else. If that happens to be a third party.....then support them. Don't continue to "wish" the republicans will finally see it your way. That's insanity.... (doing the same thing over and over....expecting different results).

If that third party loses because of little support then come to the realization that "you" are simply a minority in the spectrum of political thought.

There will be people that will tell you that electing the lessor of two evils is O.K. I will tell you that....evil is still evil.

10 posted on 12/21/2014 9:29:14 AM PST by Diego1618 (Put "Ron" on the Rock!)
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To: originalbuckeye

On this and many other issues, I firmly believe the citizenry is on the brink of massive non-compliance.


20 posted on 12/21/2014 10:37:19 AM PST by daler
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To: originalbuckeye

The Republican Party can die just as fast as the Whig Party did when the Whig Party was fractured and most of its members became Republicans. There should be a new 3rd party made up of patriotic Democrats, Republicans, Tea Party activists, and rational Libertarians. let the GOP-e defect to the Democrats. How about naming the new party the Constitution Party?


22 posted on 12/21/2014 11:01:41 AM PST by WMarshal (Free citizen, never a subject or a civilian)
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To: originalbuckeye

The two major parties have insinuated themselves into procedure, custom and law to such an extent that I think it would be less work to take over the Republican Party from the inside than to stand up an alternative third party that was sufficiently credible to garner enough votes to overcome both the Democrat as well as the remnant Republican votes and thus win enough House and Senate seats to cause meaningful policy change.

We only have to go back to when Ross Peroit ran for President as an independent to see what would happen.


23 posted on 12/21/2014 11:26:36 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: originalbuckeye; Kackikat
When the Republicans betray the country too, to whom do we turn??? A third party candidate will just assure a Dem win in 2016.
May be true. But that argument is old, stale and tired. If you can't give voters a reason to vote *FOR* you, then you've already lost. Folks aren't going to tolerate it anymore. The GOP has betrayed us so consistently and so reprehensibly, that folks don't care anymore.

Do you have a believable alternate argument, other than "3rd party elects Dems"? We've never really given a concerted effort to a third party candidate yet. Hell, it *might* work - especially in these times when both "D" and "R" are so politically offensive. Because if the GOP runs another RINO and not a conservative, then from the way the political winds feel to me, you might as well go ahead and crown Hilary.

Let me put it another way: Allowing the GOP to run their usual candidate and at the same time coordinate and fund attacks on conservatives will turn off enough "R" voters to *also* elect the Dem. So in that case, why not go ahead and vote for the conservative, whether they are registered conservative or some other 3rd party? A big govt statist is still a big govt statist, whether they have a "D" or "R" by their name. Besides, perhaps the poll numbers showing a respectable count for the third party will (at least) send a message. That is really the only way we have to register our displeasure with the way the country is going.

The problem is the GOP; *NOT* the voters and no I don't have any answers. That will take someone far smarter than me. But at this point, with the tremendous backstabbing from Boehner and McConnell, folks just don't give a damn any more. They aren't convinced there is any more than a nickel's worth of difference between Boehner/McConnell's high-level goals and the Dems.

You want folks to vote "R" over a solid conservative? You are going to have to overcome that. Your best bet is to get a solid conservative to run under the "R" and convince the voters that the GOPe has no undue influence over him.

That's the way I see it. Opinions may vary.

30 posted on 12/21/2014 6:39:59 PM PST by jaydee770
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