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Why Rand Paul Has No Shot In 2016
Leo McNeil ^ | January 15, 2015 | Leo McNeil

Posted on 01/15/2015 4:59:05 AM PST by LeoMcNeil

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To: Kartographer

Have you not read where I said I don’t care about the father’s statements and notions? It’s not my job, and I have no interest in convincing you of anything. Think whatever you like, it’s no skin off my nose. I’m only telling you that I believe that the elder Cruz’s position on concentration camps for non-Christians is a bit over the line for most Americans. You disagree, so what? I really don’t care. Time will tell.


41 posted on 01/15/2015 7:31:57 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

I believe that you like to throw out provocative statements and see what kind of raise you get.


42 posted on 01/15/2015 7:34:47 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: John Valentine

The dad has an incredible biography, his journey from child revolutionary fighting for Castro and enduring prison and torture, to Southern Baptist Minister, loving America and speaking of freedom and God, and the evils of Socialism.


43 posted on 01/15/2015 7:35:43 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: Kartographer

I don’t care what kind of raise I get. I am committed to Ted Cruz and have been for years. His dad and I live in the same town, for what that’s worth.

This entire thread is about the potential problems Rand Paul and Ted Cruz might have with the statements their fathers have made over the years. That’s all that I commented on. I am having trouble understanding the vitriol I see in some of the comments. Everyone, please get this: I am not attacking Ted Cruz’s father. I am only pointing out that the left is going to use Ted’s dad against him as sure as hot days in August. You think they won’t? I don’t care, I was expressing MY opinion, not yours. YOU get to do that, but please don’t try to do it by distorting mine.


44 posted on 01/15/2015 7:43:39 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: ansel12
The dad has an incredible biography...

Did I ever say he didn't?

BTW, Ted's own biography is pretty impressive, too.

45 posted on 01/15/2015 7:45:53 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: Kartographer
I believe that you like to throw out provocative statements and see what kind of raise you get.

And you think explicitly trying to link me to the association of scumbags known as the DU isn't provocative? LOL!!!

46 posted on 01/15/2015 7:48:24 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine

The dad will be an incredible asset to Ted.

By the way, why won’t you post the video or transcript for the speech, for your claim about the concentration camps?

Would you do that for us.


47 posted on 01/15/2015 7:49:14 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12
The dad will be an incredible asset to Ted.

Rafael Cruz is likely to be an asset with some parts of the electorate and a negative with others. How it will work out on balance remains to be seen.

By the way, why won’t you post the video or transcript for the speech, for your claim about the concentration camps?

Why don't you waste your own time instead of asking me to waste mine?

Would you do that for us.

Why don't you do it for yourself? I'm not your information gopher.

48 posted on 01/15/2015 7:54:42 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine; Jim Robinson
There is nothing wrong with the senior Cruz’s strong Christian belies, and nothing wrong with Ted’s either. But the notion of putting non-beleivers into concentration camps is something that most Americans would shy away from, don’t you think?

Some claims have to be sourced in my opinion, so that we can examine the truthfulness of your accusations that you are spreading on the internet.

49 posted on 01/15/2015 7:59:42 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: John Valentine

I found your source, but it will be impossible to find your credibility, no wonder you refuse to give sources.

It is a parody/satire site.

Go to this link to read your claim, and then look at the two buttons at the top of the article below the photo. the buttons are “show facts”-—”hide facts”.

http://www.newslo.com/ted-cruzs-father-suggests-placing-atheists-in-camps/


50 posted on 01/15/2015 8:25:14 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12

I owe you and everyone on FR an apology.

While this “newslo.com” site was NOT my immediate source, research has convinced me that it WAS the ultimate source, and that because the untrue content was repeated elsewhere on the internet as fact, and because it was confirmed personally by someone I trusted, I was misled and unwittingly spread a complete fabrication regarding a family member of someone I support and greatly admire.

Please accept my apologies and my expression of utter regret for having been taken in by this.


51 posted on 01/16/2015 5:55:37 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: John Valentine
While this “newslo.com” site was NOT my immediate source, research has convinced me that it WAS the ultimate source, and that because the untrue content was repeated elsewhere on the internet as fact

And you think explicitly trying to link me to the association of scumbags known as the DU isn't provocative? LOL!!!

There were no news sites or information sites that repeated the comedy site's piece, so there weren't other sources for this insult.

Even DU didn't fall for such a whacky and foul joke.

By the way, doesn't your new "research" consist of clinking on the link that I JUST posted to you? What was your original "source" that was so convincing, and why did you refuse so adamantly and mockingly when asked for a source for your sick attack on Cruz?

Why did I have to do the "research" that you now claim to have done?

52 posted on 01/16/2015 9:23:19 AM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: ansel12

I guess my apology wasn’t enough for you.

Why I am sharing this with someone as obnoxious as you I don’t know, but here goes: I was told about this by a trusted friend, and I went to the source he provided (this I will NOT share with you) which seemed legit to me. When you provided the link to the obvious satire site, I compared the language used and discovered that the site I had been referred to was virtually identical to the satire site you discovered. Realizing that I have been misled, I apologized most sincerely to you and everyone on FR.

What more do you want from me?

By the way, I am appalled that you would accuse me of a “...sick attack on Cruz...” I did no such thing. Why would I? Moreover, I resisted, as still do, repeating or spreading details of this; my only point (then believing the story to be credible) was that the left would use this against Ted.

Having apologized for my misunderstanding, I am done with this and most emphatically with your obnoxious self.


53 posted on 01/16/2015 8:22:51 PM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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" I went to the source he provided (this I will NOT share with you) which seemed legit to me."

You just laying it on thick, a site so secret that you won't link us to it, and where did you do your "research" after I posted the link to you?

As far as being obnoxious, that was you and your "concentration camp" accusations as you were attacking Cruz's father, and that nasty reaction in your post 48 to my polite post 47, asking you for a source for your bizarre accusation, and your snippy replies to Kartographer who was also asking you to prove your attacks.

It's a darn good thing that I stayed with it, because you had no intention of backing up your foul claim and worst than DU fake story.

54 posted on 01/16/2015 8:37:04 PM PST by ansel12 (Civilization, Crusade against the Mohammedan Death Cult.)
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To: LeoMcNeil
As of today I could vote for

Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Dr. Ben Carson and Bobby Jindal

NO WAY IN H*LL...... will I ever vote for the following Internationalist (aka Republicans In Name Only).

Mitt Romney
Jeb Bush
Chris Christy
Marco Rubio

Maybe... Don't know enough about the following candidates

Mike Huckabee
Scott Walker
Rick Santorum
John Kasich

55 posted on 01/16/2015 8:38:11 PM PST by Enlightened1
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To: ansel12
I if it talks like a troll, squirms like a troll and smells like a troll it must be....

56 posted on 01/16/2015 9:20:50 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12

Congrats ansel12 for running this troll to earth!

Raphael came to my church last November. I listen to him and spoke with him and knew in my heart that there was no way this guy was right.

You know what is even worse? That after everything he went through to escape people who would actually put him in a camp he gets accused of being like such people. Beyond VILE!


57 posted on 01/16/2015 9:39:34 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: ansel12

Finally, I wasn’t attacking anyone. I was warning about a pretty obnoxious story I has every reason to believe was out there, and that I was sure the left would use against Ted Cruz. Frankly, the fact that it isn’t true won’t stop them either. Remember the lying Sarah Palin meme that she had claimed to be able to see Russia from her porch?

I am sick of you.


58 posted on 01/17/2015 3:45:08 AM PST by John Valentine (Deep in the Heart of Texas)
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To: ansel12

Pretty much a true progressives reaction he screws up and it’s everyone else’s fault (the media, a trusted friend, and so on) and then there is: If I didn’t do it someone else would have and so I was trying to help. Lastly I am not near as sorry I did it, as I am mad as hell about you catching me doing it.


59 posted on 01/17/2015 9:32:30 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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